'Salvation outside of the Church' Revisited

[Armin_kerusker]

This is a very difficult matter to interpret and so far the one statement that seems to be in complete disagreement with accepting Salvation outside the Church is:

Unam Sancta

I started a thread on the Apologetics side about it:

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

Peace.

I still think (I have posted this argument twice before) that both the context and the writing of the Bull present some red flags to qualify it as infallible. Here is why I say this: Pope Eugene wrote this Bull after having achieved the agreement of all christianity. Despite this, he states “THE ROMAN CHURCH” when in fact, and more so if he is talking representing the Church now reunited, he should have said “THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH”. This to me present without a doubt a problem.

Peace

 

[Vouthon]

"…Do not think you are going to a country of heathens [or *“among infidels”]. Muslims attain to salvation. The ways of God are infinite…”

*- Pope Pius XI, 1934 (L’Ultima, Florence, Anno VIII) *

Pope Pius XI said the above to Cardinal Facchinetti whom he had just appointed to be the apostolic delegate to Libya, an Islamic nation.

These somewhat astounding words were only made public in 1954 and again in the 70s, when Martin lings quoted it and the source in one of his books on Sufism.

 

[Vouthon]

I’m guessing the above is a spammer Its been reported.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Believe me Anna sis, I’ve been there, done that, and still haven’t got the T-shirt

If it were just that simple huh. Actually in all honesty I myself never truly looked at it that way until I truly investigated the No Salvation outside of the CC.

I kept reading what all of the Pope’s said trying to make sense of it. It was then a found somewhere in my searching one of the Early Fathers of the Church teaching that this is what is meant by it.

He explained that all who come to Christ in a Christian Baptism in the name of the Trinity are united to Christ through his Church. Then I started thinking about this, how could we NOT all be united to Christ through his Church with Baptism.

Baptism is considered a Sacrament in the CC and even if others deny Sacraments, if they understood it was an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace they would and could not disagree with that.

Then I started thinking this has to be true, because when my husband and I got married he never changed to Catholic right away. I did not think it was fair to push anyone to change and the call had to come from within by God. But anyway when we got married he had to be baptised. That was all that had to be done. And Father asked him if he had his baptism papers, all he had to prove was a Christian baptism, Father said you can’t be baptised twice.

So then I asked him why? He said there is only One Christian baptsim, if its done in the name of the Trinity its valid. So then I started thinking we all have to be tied in together then by Baptism, no matter what our faith.

Vouthon & rinnie,

I appreciate the comments. Somehow, I missed your responses to my post. I’m sorry it’s taken so long to get back to this thread.

Regardless of theological differences, through Baptism we are united in the Mystical Body of Christ. Rinnie, you make it a point to remind us of this–and I’m glad.

Vouthon,
I’m sorry you didn’t get the T-shirt.

Peace and blessings to you both,
Anna