Salvation outside the Church

[BrotherPaulMary]

Pope Pius IX

There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

Holy Office in 1949

It is not always required that one be actually incorporated as a member of the Church, but this at least is required: that one adhere to it in wish and desire. It is not always necessary that this be explicit… but when a man labors under invincible ignorance, God accepts even an implicit will, called by that name because it is contained in the good disposition of soul in which a man wills to conform his will to the will of God."

Then Quotes from LG.

Sorry but the Church disagrees with your interpretations of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

God Bless

Br. Paul

 

[RosaryCrusader]

What does “those also can attain to salvation” mean if it does not mean that they can be saved? The same is reflected in CCC 1260, so that is clearly how the current and last popes have interpreted Lumen Gentium.

You’ll notice that LG #16 does not say they “can attain salvation” it inserts the preposition “to” (those also can attain to salvation) - meaning towards which makes perfect sense with the rest of the text which I quoted indicating a preparation of the Gospel.

This particular part of LG is specifically addressing the natural law of which St. Thomas states,

“If anyone was brought up in the wilderness or among brute beasts, and if he followed the law of nature to desire what is good, and to avoid what is wicked, we should certainly believe that God, by an inward inspiration, would reveal to him what he should believe, or would send someone to preach the Faith to him, as He sent Peter to Cornelius.”

 

[chypmonk]

Either you have a redacted version of Lumen Gentium, or you are putting a pretty heavy spin on what it says. The sentence before the two you quote says:

What does “those also can attain to salvation” mean if it does not mean that they can be saved? The same is reflected in CCC 1260, so that is clearly how the current and last popes have interpreted Lumen Gentium.

Rosarycrusader is correct.

You are putting a spin on the Lumen Gentium yourself. It does not say that those who are outside the Church are saved in that state. Why? Because one can only be saved IN the Church which is DOGMA and one can only be In the Church,i.e. a member of the Church, by the Sacramental Baptism, which is also DOGMA and there is no forgiveness of sin outside the Church , which likewise is DOGMA . It is saying that they too CAN attain salvation because God is seeking them to join the Church. This is the way one would have to understand it in continuity of Sacred Tradition and DOGMA

What is missing in your reading?
Well the end of paragraph #16 which you seem to have missed ( which is understandable since most Feeneyite opponents articles on the subject leave this out):

Pope Paul VI Second Vatican Council #16:
“Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20*) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, “Preach the Gospel to every creature”,(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.”
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

Natural Law is a preparation to receive the Gospel it does not give Sanctifying Grace-- this would be Pelegianism.
Sanctifying Grace, since Pentecost, cannot be received without Sacramental Baptism, which brings one into the Church, because Unam Sanctum defined :

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation NOR REMISSION OF SIN…”

 

[sidbrown]

That is why I can’t discuss it with you. You lump all traditionalists in together and name the most ridiculous and extreme of those to support your argument.

Fr Feeney was not a “vacant chair” proponent and neither am I. I don’t think anyone on this thread is such.

In your world, going by the post quoted, it’s the pre VII Church vs the post VII one, and the post VII one trumps all no matter what. Pastoral documents and the misinterpretaion of them trumps Doctrine huh ? You didn’t say it, but that is what can be read of what you propose.

That message is as dangerous a threat to the Faith as the message a Dimond would present friend, and it that sense, you are on the “fringe” yourself.

I don’t see the name of a Catholic clergyman today who agrees with you that anyone who is not baptised Sacramentally by water will go to hell.
So you have not made your case.

 

[TMC]

You’ll notice that LG #16 does not say they “can attain salvation” it inserts the preposition “to” (those also can attain to salvation) - meaning towards which makes perfect sense with the rest of the text which I quoted indicating a preparation of the Gospel.

This particular part of LG is specifically addressing the natural law of which St. Thomas states,

“If anyone was brought up in the wilderness or among brute beasts, and if he followed the law of nature to desire what is good, and to avoid what is wicked, we should certainly believe that God, by an inward inspiration, would reveal to him what he should believe, or would send someone to preach the Faith to him, as He sent Peter to Cornelius.”

I’m sorry but that is an extraordinarily strained reading of the text. It is also inconsistent with the way the Church itself has interpreted the text, see CCC 1260 (bolding is mine):

1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

Also, see the quotes in Brother Paul’s post #80.

 

[sidbrown]

Sources have been listed in the original quote.

Infallible teachings can NOT be changed because that would mean that they were not infallible to begin with.

Regardless of what you say, even the ultra-conservative Archbishop Lefebvre and his SSPX society say that a Muslim or Jew can be saved by implicit baptism of desire.
Give us the name and link to the writings of one non-fringe group Catholic theologian today who says that anyone who is not Sacramentally baptised by water will go to hell.

 

[chypmonk]

Pope Pius IX

There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

Holy Office in 1949

It is not always required that one be actually incorporated as a member of the Church, but this at least is required: that one adhere to it in wish and desire. It is not always necessary that this be explicit… but when a man labors under invincible ignorance, God accepts even an implicit will, called by that name because it is contained in the good disposition of soul in which a man wills to conform his will to the will of God."

Then Quotes from LG.

Sorry but the Church disagrees with your interpretations of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

God Bless

Br. Paul

???
Who are you talking to? And what’s your point?
Sorry I don’t get what you’re thinking

 

[Sir_Knight]

Regardless of what you say, even the ultra-conservative Archbishop Lefebvre and his SSPX society say that a Muslim or Jew can be saved by implicit baptism of desire.
Give us the name and link to the writings of one non-fringe group Catholic theologian today who says that anyone who is not Sacramentally baptised by water will go to hell.

Today? What do you mean today? Do you understand what the infallibility of the Pope means? When a Pope officially declares something to be true, no future Pope or Church Council can ever change it.

Catholics are REQUIRED to accept ALL Church doctrines and Dogmas. Care to explain how you, Archbishop Lefebvre and his SSPX society are in step with these INFALLIBLE Church teachings:

• 
  *] About 585 A.D., Pope Pelagius II infallibly stated, “If anyone, however, either suggests or believes or presumes to teach contrary to this faith, let him know that he is condemned and also anathematized (means excommunicated) according to the opinion of the same Fathers… Consider (therefore) the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the Church, cannot have the Lord. [Gal. 3:7]” (SOURCE: Denzinger’s Enchiridion Symbolorum; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 24
  
  *] In 1208 A.D., Pope Innocent III infallibly stated, “By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, catholic, and Apostolic (Church) outside which we believe that no one is saved.” (SOURCE: D.E.S.; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 423)
  
  *] In 1215 A.D., Pope Innocent III infallibly stated, “One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved…” (SOURCE: D.E.S.; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 430)
  
  *] In 1302 A.D., Pope Boniface VIII infallibly stated, “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this (Church) outside which there is no salvation nor remission of sins…” (SOURCE: D.E.S.; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 468)
  
  *] In 1302 A.D., by the power invested in him, Pope Boniface VIII infallibly stated, “…we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (SOURCE: D.E.S.; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 469)
  
  *] In 1442 A.D, Pope Eugenius IV, 1442, at the Council of Florence, reaffirmed this truth. "It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart ‘into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. (SOURCE: D.E.S.; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 714)
  
  *]MIRARI VOS, the Encyclical of Pope Gregory XVI (August 15, 1832) …
  
  Another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained. Surely, in so clear a matter, you will drive this deadly error far from the people committed to your care. With the admonition of the apostle that “there is one God, one faith, one baptism” may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that “those who are not with Christ are against Him,” and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore “without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate.” Let them hear Jerome who, while the Church was torn into three parts by schism, tells us that whenever someone tried to persuade him to join his group he always exclaimed: “He who is for the See of Peter is for me.” A schismatic flatters himself falsely if he asserts that he, too, has been washed in the waters of regeneration. Indeed Augustine would reply to such a man: “The branch has the same form when it has been cut off from the vine; but of what profit for it is the form, if it does not live from the root?”

 

[At_Trent]

I don’t see the name of a Catholic clergyman today who agrees with you that anyone who is not baptised Sacramentally by water will go to hell.
So you have not made your case.

John 3:5

And Jesus answered them: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Try and pick that apart

 

[Sir_Knight]

Letter H … with regards to the “Baptism of Desire”, recall that Pope Eugene IV, The Council of Florence, “Exultate Deo,” Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra:* “Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church.* And since death entered the universe through the first man, ‘unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,’ as the Truth says, ‘enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]. *The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water.” … Without bread and wine, the no priest, bishop or even Pope can celebrate the Eucharist because that is what is needed for the sacrament. They can’t use beer and a pretzels. Same with baptism as infallibly explained above.

As far as the Baptism of Blood, I present you with letter I … Cantate Domino, 144 1. Denz. 13 5 1 (Mansi, Concilia, xxxi) … “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and teaches, that none of those who are not within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but Jews, heretics and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life…, unless before the close of their lives they shall have entered into that Church; … the Church’s sacraments avail only those abiding in that Church, … no one, no matter what alms he may have given, not even if he were to shed his blood for Christ’s sake, can be saved unless he abide in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

 

[chypmonk]

Please anyone who holds Baptism of Desire could you provide me with a definition?

 

[una_fides]

More than the consent of the Church’s theologians, we can also look to the epistle of Pope Innocent III (DS 788), the 1917 Code of Canon Law (Can. 737 §1) as well as to the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (DS 3871-3872) in order to confirm that baptism of desire is a doctrine of the Church.

Here is an excellent site in which I compiled tons of the Church’s authoritative declarations on this topic. no-salvation-outside-the-church.blogspot.com/
They all have links to the full online version of the text as well. There is an entire section on invincible ignorance that when read really puts into perspective what invincible ignorance is and is not and how one who is outside the Church visibly can enter the Church in voto.

I was unable to locate “the epistle of Pope Innocent III” anywhere. What does the “DS” stand for? I thought Denzinger’s “Sources of Catholic Dogma,” but the 788 on there is completely irrelevant.

I looked up the code of canon law from 1917, and it is right on:
Can 737 §1. Baptismus, Sacramentorum ianua ac fundamentum, omnibus in re vel saltem in voto necessarius ad salutem, valide non confertur, nisi per ablutionem aquae verae et naturalis cum praescripta verborum forma.
Here is my loose translation of that Latin since there is no online English translation:
Of the sacraments, baptism is the door and foundation, and produces salvation for all who receive in fact or at least in desire…

(Corrections are welcome for any possible mistranslations.)

 

[Sir_Knight]

• Baltimore Catechism: *A mortal sin once committed remains on the soul till it is forgiven. Now, how could a non-Catholic’s mortal sin be forgiven? Not in the Sacrament of Penance, for the non-Catholic does not go to confession; and if he does, his minister – not being a true priest – has no power to forgive sins. Does he know that without confession it requires an act of perfect contrition to blot out mortal sin, and can he easily make such an act? What we call contrition is often only imperfect contrition – that is, sorrow for our sins because we fear their punishment in Hell or dread the loss of Heaven. If a Catholic – with all the instruction he has received about how to make an act of perfect contrition and all the practice he has had in making such acts – might find it difficult to make an act of perfect contrition after having committed a mortal sin, how much difficulty will not a non-Catholic have in making an act of perfect contrition, who does not know about this requirement and who has not been taught to make continued acts of perfect contrition all his life. It is to be feared either he would not know of this necessary means of regaining God’s friendship, or he would be unable to elicit the necessary act of perfect contrition, and thus the mortal sin would remain upon his soul and he would die an enemy of God. *
• POPE SAINT PIUS X: “no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.” … “To be a member of the Church it is necessary to be baptised, to believe and profess the teaching of Jesus Christ, to participate in the same Sacraments, and to acknowledge the Pope and the other lawful pastors of the Church.” … “To be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church; it is necessary to be a living member.”

 

[una_fides]

Please anyone who holds Baptism of Desire could you provide me with a definition?

I believe the requirements for baptism of desire have already been explained on this thread. Baptism of a desire is a desire for the reception of the baptism animated by perfect charity, and this desire may be either explicit as in the case of catechumens or implicit, which could even constitute an unconscious yearning for baptism made by one who is invincibly ignorant of its existence.
Here is a brief section from the letter from the Holy Office given with full approval of Pope Pius XII:
The same in its own degree must be asserted of the Church, in as far as she is the general help to salvation. Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God. …
Toward the end of this same encyclical letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who “are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire,” and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition “in which they cannot be sure of their salvation” since “they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church” (AAS, 1. c., p. 243). With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire, and those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally well in every religion.
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFFEENY.HTM
This teaching is so firmly rooted in the Church’s tradition that it goes beyond the mere ordinary magisterial weight of that decree from the Holy Office. This fact too was also pointed out earlier in this thread that this dogma of baptism of desire is one that is so unanimously accepted by theologians and doctors of the Church that it transcends to the level of the universal ordinary Magisterium and as such would be infallible.

 

[una_fides]

• Baltimore Catechism: *… *
• POPE SAINT PIUS X: …

If you want to sit here and go back and forth listing quotes from the Church all day, we can, but the key is that one needs to reconcile them. Truth cannot contradict truth. If it is truth that there is no salvation outside the Church and that those outside the Church who are invincibly ignorant can be saved and that one can receive baptism through desire, then when you piece it all together you can see that those who are invincibly ignorant of the truth who with perfect charity desire baptism (whether consciously or unconsciously) can receive the grace of baptism and thereby be placed into the Church and thereby be saved! Don’t believe me? My next two posts will be from Pope St. Pius X and then the Baltimore Catechism from which you yourself just quoted.

 

[una_fides]

CATECHISM OF POPE SAINT PIUS X
The Church in Particular
8 Q. What is the Catholic Church?
A. The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptised who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff.
9 Q. State distinctly what is necessary to be a member of the Church?
A. To be a member of the Church it is necessary to be baptised, to believe and profess the teaching of Jesus Christ, to participate in the same Sacraments, and to acknowledge the Pope and the other lawful pastors of the Church.
21 Q. What is the constitution of the Church of Jesus Christ?
A. The Church of Jesus Christ has been constituted as a true and perfect Society; and in her we can distinguish a soul and a body.
22 Q. In what does the Soul of the Church consist?
A. The Soul of the Church consists in her internal and spiritual endowments, that is, faith, hope, charity, the gifts of grace and of the Holy Ghost, together with all the heavenly treasures which are hers through the merits of our Redeemer, Jesus Christ, and of the Saints.
23 Q. In what does the Body of the Church consist?
A. The Body of the Church consists in her external and visible aspect, that is, in the association of her members, in her worship, in her teaching-power and in her external rule and government.
24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church; it is necessary to be a living member.
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
28 Q. How, then, were the Patriarchs of old, the Prophets, and the other just men of the Old Testament, saved?
A. The just of the Old Testament were saved in virtue of the faith they had in Christ to come, by means of which they spiritually belonged to the Church.
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God’s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation
ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.htm

 

[una_fides]

Here is some more of the context “conveniently” left out from the passage that was quoted above from the Baltimore Catechism. I will also supply the link to the full text, which the above poster failed to do, so that everyone on here can read it in its full context.

**Baltimore Catechism

• 1. Q. Are all bound to belong to the Church?**

Suppose, however, that there is a non-Catholic who firmly believes that the church to which he belongs is the true Church, and who has never – even in the past – had the slightest doubt of that fact – what will become of him?
If he was validly baptized and never committed a mortal sin, he will be saved; because, believing himself a member of the true Church, he was doing all he could to serve God according to his knowledge and the dictates of his conscience. But if ever he committed a mortal sin, his salvation would be very much more difficult.
…
If, then, we found a Protestant who never committed a mortal sin after Baptism, and who never had the slightest doubt about the truth of his religion, that person would be saved; because, being baptized, he is a member of the Church, and being free from mortal sin he is a friend of God and could not in justice be condemned to Hell. Such a person would attend Mass and receive the Sacraments if he knew the Catholic Church to be the only true Church.

I am giving you an example, however, that is rarely found, except in the case of infants or very small children baptized in Protestant sects.

I said I gave you an example that can scarcely be found, namely, of a person not a Catholic, who really never doubted the truth of his religion, and who, moreover, never committed during his whole life a mortal sin. There are so few such persons that we can practically say for all those who are not visibly members of the Catholic Church, believing its doctrines, receiving its Sacraments, and being governed by its visible head, our Holy Father, the Pope, salvation is an extremely difficult matter.
cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/baltimore/bcreed09.htm
The Baltimore Catechism could not have any more clearly taught that one can be saved through an implicit desire for baptism. While such is difficult, we also know that with God all things are possible and that he desires that all men will be saved. While most people will end up going to hell and God’s consequent will still will be done, God can still manifest himself to people on their deathbeds or prior thereto and communicate his grace to them in a mystical way so that they may enter the Church and be snatched from the grasp of satan before the point that their souls leave their bodies.

 

[una_fides]

John 3:5

And Jesus answered them: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Try and pick that apart

Have you read any Catholic Commentaries on this passage or are you just interpreting it on your own and apart from the Church’s Magisterial teachings such as that from Trent and elsewhere? From the commentary of Cornelius Cornelii a Lapide written in the early 1600s:Lastly, born of water ought here to be understood either in actual fact, or by desire. For he who repents of his sins, and desires to be baptized, but either from want of water, or lack of a minister, is not able to receive it, is born again through (ex) the desire and wish for baptism. So the Council of Trent fully explains this passage (Sess. 7, Can. 4).
catholicapologetics.info/scripture/newtestament/3john.htm
One can be “born of water” through desire when the water is not available whether because the person is a catechumen who at that moment is incapable of receiving the water or because the person is invincibly ignorant of the need for water baptism but in either case the person must have perfect charity toward God, which would include perfect contrition for any sins he has committed.

 

[bluelake]

No, we shouldn’t judge. But Christ said Church. He didn’t say churches. The protestants left Her.

You are saying ‘Church’? The early church was Apostlic.
I am referring to christains, not churches.
We all have the same Savior.
I’m not here to discuss the Reformation. Only to say there were many reasons that it came about. Lets stay in this century.
btw, The oneness Pentecostals also teach they will be the only believers in heaven.
That is 'judging, which Jesus Christ forbids.

God bless,
blue

 

[bluelake]

The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

The souls of those who depart in actual mortal sin or in original sin only, descend immediately into hell but to undergo punishments of different kinds.

chyp,
Your last sentence? No one is sent immediatly into hell without being judged.
Have you read anything about ‘Love’?
Jesus loves sinners.he sat and ate with them.

God bless,
bluelake