There lies the problem with people, God is bound by the sacraments and what He says, that is not to say that He can’t do anything that He wants but that God becomes a liar. What God says is what He means. We don’t get to interpret, its the teaching magisterium that interprets, being protected by the Holy Spirit, it there that we get the meaning of things of God.
THis has no earing on the discussion. There are thousands of communities that are not Ffeneyites.To All on this thread,
Those of you who say that the Feeney’s position is NOT licit to hold as a Catholic I draw your attention to the fact that there are now FOUR! Feeneyite communities approved of by the Church. ( Yes I said 4! This last week the fourth community was regularized see this thread here-link)
The “Feeneyites” are light years ahead of the SSPX, this was the final group waiting for approval.
They were ALWAYS Catholics they were just waiting for official approval for their community.
So there have been 4 groups approved of under Popes: Paul VI, JPII, Pope B16 so these Popes in their official capacity have not denied that the Feeney position is valid.
I am not a member or associated with any of the groups–just for the record
How is it that all 4 groups are accepted by the Church but many on this thread say that the Feeney position is not a valid understanding of EENS? Didn’t people speak about Traditionalists in the 1980’s the same way accusing them of “knowing more than the Pope”; when they would say the TLM was never forbiden? Now we know they were right and most Catholics have no problem in seeing trads as Catholics.
Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, says they are in FULL communion
ewtn.com/library/curia/cedsspx2.htm
1974 regularized —priests and brothers (Benedictine rule)
St. Benedict Abbey,
1988 -regularized—MICM - sisters ( Franciscan rule)
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
(Saint Anne’s House)
2003–regularized–MICM – brothers --( Franciscan rule)
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
(Immaculate Heart of Mary School)
[link for all above 3 groups here in official church website]
2010–regularized-- brothers and sisters (Saint Augustine rule)
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary----Richmond New Hampshire
How is it that “Feeneyites” keep getting approved of by the Church but many here will not accept them as Catholic and a valid understanding of EENS?
PS very inspiring testimony of one former student of their school link–here
In fact they were merely permitted at one time and now encouraged in a big way
I am a roman catholic married to an orthodox christian in a protestant church, with full dispensation from the CC. No one has questioned or commented about my morality.
I know that’s something else and have already said so in my post
that would be a Catholic Church
They can be saved with or without any or all what you stated, provided they bear good fruit during their sojourn on earth
This is true provided that they are not aware that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ and contains the fullness of Truth.
does the Catholic church baptize in “Jesus’ name”?
We baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as per the instructions of Jesus Christ
I am aware that anyone on the side of truth will listen to Jesus. But there are many on the side of truth but stay far away from the church because their perception of the church is based on the example set by christians whom they encounter.
Did the Apostles follow the same instructions? It seems they baptized everyone in “Jesus’ name”. I can’t find anywhere in the bible where some one was baptized using three titles. It was always in Jesus name.
“he who rejects you rejects me, and He who sent me”
The baptisms mentioned in the Acts may not spell out exactly every minute detail. Our Lord’s instruction is clearly there in the gospel. It is meaningless to debate this
Those who rejected the worthy apostles attested by our Lord are not the same as those who today reject many name sake christians who are worse than pagans
Do not play with the refusal.
The apostles represent the Church…to willingly, knowingly reject the Catholic Church is to reject God