Salvation: What is necessary to go to heaven?

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This is an interesting thread!
The thief on the cross was saved by acknowleding Jesus as Lord- so essentially, that’s how you’re saved.
Nope. This isn’t the traditional Christian understanding and it isn’t the teaching of the Church. God is not bound by the sacraments, we are.
I know, I know, he was a special case- but aren’t we all?
Nope. You have access to the sacraments and to the Church. Unless you are crucified on a cross and currently incapacitated, you are not in extraordinary circumstances that warrant what happened to the thief.
 
I’m trying to get my answers from Catholics themselves, so forgive me if I make mistakes or phrase this awkwardly:
How about you post one question at a time?
How is a person saved?
God’s grace, period.
Protestants would just say repent and believe in Jesus as God, Lord, Savior.
If you do not do the will of the Father you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Do I have to confess to a priest to be saved?
Are you in a state of mortal sin, and have full knowledge that you should go to a priest? If so then yes, you would need to go to confession and recieve absolution. It’s sad because Protestants think they’re running from priests who think their God, when they’re really runing from servants whom God chose to work through for your salvation. “For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ.”–2 Corinthians 2:10
Do I have to do the 7 sacraments?
Do you believe you have to be baptized? If so then why do you believe in the necessity of one sacrament while denying the importance of the six remaining sacraments?
Are Protestants who pray to Jesus and repent going to heaven?
That’s between Protestants and God, for only He knows their thoughts and their hearts. However, if they chose to stay outside of the Catholic Church even though they knew they should join, which all Christians are called to join the Catholic Church, then no they will not be saved. Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and so His Body, His Church, is likewise the Way, the Truth, and the Life. One Lord, One Truth, One Way, One Life, One Faith, and One Church!
 
Thank you everyone for your replies. I hope I’m allowed a couple follow up questions:
  1. Does Catholicism have any doctrine of assurance of salvation (like 1 John 5:13 seems to indicate we should have)? If I’m understanding correctly, it sounds like it’s by persevering as you are enabled by the grace of God.
  2. What is the Catholic response to the teaching that a person is saved upon belief and repentance (John 3:16; Rom. 10:9, etc.), and the other requirements are acts of obedience afterwards, not conditions for salvation? In other words, a person doesn’t lose their salvation by disobedience or leaving the faith, they prove that they were never saved (1 John 2:19). The other side of that would be the Protestant doctrine of Perseverence of the Saints; that all those who are truly saved will endure to the end.
Again, thanks for giving the time to respond to these questions. It is appreciated.
 
Thank you everyone for your replies. I hope I’m allowed a couple follow up questions:
  1. Does Catholicism have any doctrine of assurance of salvation (like 1 John 5:13 seems to indicate we should have)? If I’m understanding correctly, it sounds like it’s by persevering as you are enabled by the grace of God.
  2. What is the Catholic response to the teaching that a person is saved upon belief and repentance (John 3:16; Rom. 10:9, etc.), and the other requirements are acts of obedience afterwards, not conditions for salvation? In other words, a person doesn’t lose their salvation by disobedience or leaving the faith, they prove that they were never saved (1 John 2:19). The other side of that would be the Protestant doctrine of Perseverence of the Saints; that all those who are truly saved will endure to the end.
Again, thanks for giving the time to respond to these questions. It is appreciated.
No problem sir!
  1. No to the first, yes to the second. However, we believe God gives this grace to everyone, its just a matter of accepting it (essentially). Even so, the Church still chooses not to assure salvation. Martyrdom might be an exception.
  2. The Catholic response is that you don’t get salvation until you die, for everyone, even those who will be saved. There is no loss of salvation, only rejection of it. Disobedience and leaving the faith is rejection of salvation in the eyes of the Catholic Church. The doctrine of Perseverence of the Saints is not entirely outside the Catholic Church, I would say. Those who truly WILL BE saved will endure to the end. This is just a generalization; even if the worst of sinners were to truly repent and receive the sacraments on his or her death bed, he or she could and likely would be saved if his or her previous life was genuine ignorance. How this would be perseverence, I’m not sure, but this is an extraordinary situation.
Might I add that there are many many many Patrisitc (Early Church fathers) resources on salvation. Google it! You’ll find little has changed in the Church with regards to salvation.
 
Perhaps the person to whom you wrote this was thinking of Matthew 7:13-14 RSV:

Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow, and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Any thoughts about this?
I’m not saying it never said this. I’m saying that the Bible makes it clear that the reason most go to Hell is because they choose to lead a life of sin instead of taking up their crosses and following Jesus. If you do this, by the Grace of God and his endless mercy, you will be saved. If you do not, you will be with the majority that goes to Hell. What I’m trying to say is yes, most will probably got to Hell, but this is because they choose to sin. The other person is trying to say that even if you do take up your cross and follow Jesus it is extremely difficult. The person then goes on to say that the Church has stated this. This is a blatant lie. It has never been addressed by the Church in any period, nor any Pope. I think this person should do some research before he/she says something that could indeed turn people away from Christ because they deem the task of Heaven impossible.
 
Several Church Doctors that have said few are saved. I’m sure many more held to this. Sure, they aren’t the Magesterium (some were part of it), but they highly esteemed saints. Are their views less important than Fr. Groeschel’s? Or Mother Angelica’s? I’m not trying to be self righteous here, but THIS is the truth. Read St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil the Great, St. Ephram, St. Augustine. None have ever said the path to heaven is easy and widespread; they have all said it is hard and few obtain it. Even our Lord himself said the way is narrow and few find it.

And you say you’d lead a life of sin because of what I just said? I’ll will pray for you good sir. I know you didn’t mean this comment. The methods of getting to heaven are very easy, you just listed them off. Actually doing them whilst uniting yourself to Christ and God and perfecting yourself at all times according only to the will of God, is very difficult.

EDIT: I don’t advocate everything Michael Voris has to say, but this is a fairly good video…food for thought. youtube.com/watch?v=GCf8C1Xcpds

Remember, we can NEVER view salvation is light of others. We can only account for ourselves.
Again, I’m not denying that it is hard. It most certainly is! Denying yourself daily is the hardest part of this, in fact. But I’m saying that your comment almost came off as “Even if you do all of these things, it’s hard.” Jesus and the Saints have never stated something like this I don’t believe. The Saints have commented saying that most will go to Hell most definitely, but they never said most that follow the teachings of the Church, that receive the Sacraments, that pray to God everyday, and try to be the best versions of themselves go to Hell. There is a big difference, and I was just trying to distinguish the difference.

The reason I was very against your comment and said that I would turn to sin if I was the way I was a year ago is because for a long time I thought it was impossible to get to Heaven, that only the Saints got into Heaven, and when I was convinced otherwise, I was sure of God’s mercy and how easy his way was. I still am. There are many challenges, of course, but with God and his help all things are made easy. It was very frightening for me when I read your post because I thought “What if I’m wrong and this person is right? What are my chances then?” I realize now that you probably meant to distinguish the two points I made in the paragraph above, but this is really what I felt, and if I didn’t have a strong faith, and I was the way I was a year ago, I probably would’ve forgotten the whole God thing and just did what I pleased.
 
No problem sir!
  1. No to the first, yes to the second. However, we believe God gives this grace to everyone, its just a matter of accepting it (essentially). Even so, the Church still chooses not to assure salvation. Martyrdom might be an exception.
Might I add that there are many many many Patrisitc (Early Church fathers) resources on salvation. Google it! You’ll find little has changed in the Church with regards to salvation.
by #1, I was referring to personal assurance. Can I know for sure that I’m saved? Sorry about the confusion.
 
Several Church Doctors that have said few are saved. I’m sure many more held to this. Sure, they aren’t the Magesterium (some were part of it), but they highly esteemed saints. Are their views less important than Fr. Groeschel’s? Or Mother Angelica’s? I’m not trying to be self righteous here, but THIS is the truth. Read St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil the Great, St. Ephram, St. Augustine. None have ever said the path to heaven is easy and widespread; they have all said it is hard and few obtain it. Even our Lord himself said the way is narrow and few find it.

And you say you’d lead a life of sin because of what I just said? I’ll will pray for you good sir. I know you didn’t mean this comment. The methods of getting to heaven are very easy, you just listed them off. Actually doing them whilst uniting yourself to Christ and God and perfecting yourself at all times according only to the will of God, is very difficult.

EDIT: I don’t advocate everything Michael Voris has to say, but this is a fairly good video…food for thought. youtube.com/watch?v=GCf8C1Xcpds

Remember, we can NEVER view salvation is light of others. We can only account for ourselves.
I’m in a daze. I actually had this question answered on Ask An Apologist: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=604441 For truly, if Father Vincent Serpa is on my side, who is against me? 😃

I don’t mean to come off as a complete jake, but I wrote this question straight after I saw your post because I was very afraid. I realize you probably meant what I distinguished in my earlier post, but as I said, I was truly afraid. I’m just in a haze right now because, my God, I actually had a question answered on Ask An Apologist! It’s like I won the lottery!
 
by #1, I was referring to personal assurance. Can I know for sure that I’m saved? Sorry about the confusion.
Well, to quote (What used to be) Father Corapi: “You’re not saved until your butt is in Heaven.” You can never know that you are saved. Babies that have been baptized are assured straight entrance to Heaven if they should die much too soon. However, if you are a baby, you’re probably not aware that you’ve been saved, are you? 😃
 
I’m trying to get my answers from Catholics themselves, so forgive me if I make mistakes or phrase this awkwardly:

How is a person saved? Protestants would just say repent and believe in Jesus as God, Lord, Savior. Do I have to confess to a priest to be saved? Do I have to do the 7 sacraments? Are Protestants who pray to Jesus and repent going to heaven?
I think this video from Jimmy Akin better explains it than all of us combined: youtube.com/user/catholiccom#p/u/28/y0c_iyxNb4g
 
How is a person saved? Protestants would just say repent and believe in Jesus as God, Lord, Savior. Do I have to confess to a priest to be saved? Do I have to do the 7 sacraments? Are Protestants who pray to Jesus and repent going to heaven?

With all due respect, A person is saved by obeying the Ten Commandments and the precepts of the Church and by believing all the truths which Christ has revealed through the Bible, Divine Revelation and Tradition. I am but 14 years of age and do not know as much as I should about my Faith, but I do know this; Extra Ecclesium Nula Salus. There is no salvation outside the (Catholic) Church. This has been the Church’s teaching for nearly two thousand years.

May God lead you to all His truths.
Yours in Christ, Ein Sucher
 
I’m in a daze. I actually had this question answered on Ask An Apologist: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=604441 For truly, if Father Vincent Serpa is on my side, who is against me? 😃

I don’t mean to come off as a complete jake, but I wrote this question straight after I saw your post because I was very afraid. I realize you probably meant what I distinguished in my earlier post, but as I said, I was truly afraid. I’m just in a haze right now because, my God, I actually had a question answered on Ask An Apologist! It’s like I won the lottery!
Haha, you’re fine. Don’t be afraid! Do you have scruples, perchance? Remember, I am just an anonymous person on the internet. My name isn’t even Bert. You are free to believe or reject anything I say. If what I’ve said troubles you, pray over it. When your own emotions get tied in with beliefs is when finding truth can be tough. Just pray, and don’t worry.
 
How is a person saved? Protestants would just say repent and believe in Jesus as God, Lord, Savior. Do I have to confess to a priest to be saved? Do I have to do the 7 sacraments? Are Protestants who pray to Jesus and repent going to heaven?
With all due respect, A person is saved by obeying the Ten Commandments and the precepts of the Church and by believing all the truths which Christ has revealed through the Bible, Divine Revelation and Tradition. I am but 14 years of age and do not know as much as I should about my Faith, but I do know this; Extra Ecclesium Nula Salus. There is no salvation outside the (Catholic) Church. This has been the Church’s teaching for nearly two thousand years.

May God lead you to all His truths.
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                                               Yours in Christ, Ein Sucher
youtube.com/user/catholiccom#p/u/28/y0c_iyxNb4g
 
Wow…this thread can be hurtful and full of innaccuracies and still not get deleted.
interesting.

Non catholics CAN and WILL be saved. Deal with it.

And yes, I am eating meat tomorrow. :eek:
 
Wow…this thread can be hurtful and full of innaccuracies and still not get deleted.
interesting.
Not to worry, I have cleared up most if not all of the inaccurate statements. Including the following:
Non catholics CAN and WILL be saved. Deal with it.
Yes, they can be saved. Nobody denies this. Leave it up to God to decide - though it is harder for those outside the physical bounds of the Church to be saved. Full stop.

And no, not everybody will be saved. “can and will”? No. That is universalism, and a heresy. If it makes you feel any better, Catholics go to hell too.

If this makes you feel uncomfortable, I suggest you go read Jesus’ words again, and I suggest that you make double sure you stick to the Church and the sacraments.
And yes, I am eating meat tomorrow. :eek:
Is this meant to be offensive to us ‘traditional’ Catholics because we abstain on Fridays? Believe me, I am not offended in the least. Giving up meat is my way of thanking Jesus for what He did for me. If you don’t wanna do it, who cares? Unless of course your Bishops have said you should do it, in which case be obedient.
 
LOL! Eating meat on my fridays is my way of thanking JEsus for what he did for me.
 
. They are our esrtanged cousins, if anything (WITH REGARD TO FAITH ONLY), not our brothers and sisters in faith, as we have the truth, and putting them on the same level as us in that regard would be!
The Catholic Church calls protestants our brothers and sisters. It is part of the Holy Friday intentions. Is is hard for a Protestant to be saved? This is a matter of opinion as the Church has never pronounced anyone in Hell. There is no official Church position on how hard it is to get to Heaven or Hell, or what percetages will make it. The road is wide that leads to destruction, but His yoke is light and easy. Take your pick.
 
by #1, I was referring to personal assurance. Can I know for sure that I’m saved? Sorry about the confusion.
A Catholic view would be that salvation is not simply a one time event, but also an ongoing process up until the time God passes judgment on our soul.

“I have been saved, I’m being saved, and I have the hope that I will be saved, while I work out my salvation with fear and trembling” is a common expression. Here are the Bible verses supporting that view:

We have been saved
Ephesians 2:4-8, Romans 8:22-24

We are being saved
Phillipians 2:12, 2 Corinthians 2:15

We have hope to be saved
Romans 5:9-10, Matthew 24:13

In the Catholic understanding, it is entirely possible to be saved, yet lose it by falling away from the faith and becoming worldly.
2 Peter 2:20, 1 Corinthians 9:27
 
LOL! Eating meat on my fridays is my way of thanking JEsus for what he did for me.
Lisahiku, I wonder if that doesn’t miss the point of the Friday abstinence. When the US bishops (and bishops in many other countries) did away with the practice of meatless Fridays, the intention was not to cease treating Friday as a day of penance. Rather, it was to call us to find other perhaps more spiritually fruitful ways of sacrificing on that day.

Unfortunately, I think the intention of the bishops was lost and many Catholics no longer treat Friday as a penitential day. This is why the bishops of England and Wales recently re-instituted meatless Fridays. It may be a lower level spiritual practice, but it is tangible and reminds us that we are to recall weekly our collective role in the death of Christ.
 
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