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But that’s not God’s expressed Will.I most assuredly admit that if a person is truly invincibly ignorant, (if baptized then hence in a state of grace), God would most assuredly reveal the truth to such a person, either by natural (missionary, etc.) or supernatural (angel, revelation, etc.) means, since to not do so would contradict His expressed Will, which is that it is necessary to be baptized and a member of the Church to be saved.
The Pilot man must hold that there is no salvation out of the church, or not be a Catholic … The only question on this subject on which Catholics do or can differ is, Who are in the church? … Bellarmine holds, as do most theologians, on the authority of St. Ambrose, that catechumens, dying before receiving the visible sacrament of baptism in re, may be saved; but he feels a difficulty in the case. How can this be, since there is no salvation out of the church, and catechumens are not actu in proprie in the church? But this, though a difficulty to Bellarmine, would be none to the theologian of the Pilot, for he would say: “Very true, they are not members of the body of the church, but they, by their faith and charity, belong to the soul of the church, and that suffices.” Bellarmine, though an iminent theologian, and generally regarded as a high authority, appears to have been ignorant of this easy way of solving the difficulty, and he labors hard to prove that, “catechumens are after all, in the church, not actually and properly, as a man conceived, but not yet formed and born, is called man only potentially.” Billuart, as we showed in our former article, solves the difficulty in the same way, and maintains that catechumens may be said to be in the church “proximately and in desire,” or, as St. Augustine says, “in voto et proxima dispositione,” as one may be said to be in the house because he is in the vestibule for the purpose of immediately entering. “They belong to the church inchoately,” that is, are inchoate members, and the church in her prayer for them on Good Friday calls them hers- “Our catechumens:” “Oremus pro catechumenis nostris,” evidently implying that they belong to her, and are under her care, subject in some sense to her jurisdiction.
It’s true that God’s expressed Will is that Baptism and the Catholic Church are necessary for salvation. You simply misunderstand what that means. St. Thomas explains the matter quite clearly:Whether these explanations prove that catechumens belong to the visible church or not, they prove that the theologians who offer them believe and hold that, in order to be saved, one must be in some sense, vel re, vel voto, a member of the body of the church, and, therefore, that they understand the dogma precisely as we do, namely, out of the visible church of Christ there is no salvation. (Brownson’s Quarterly Review, Oct. 1874, “Answer to Objections”)
The same thing of course goes for Baptism and the Church herself. They are necessary for salvation, at least in intention. No one can be saved without having been united to the Church by his very intention of joining her.First Reply: Although the principal effect of any sacrament can be had without actual receiving of that sacrament, either without a sacrament, or through another sacrament from consequence; never however can it be had without the intention of [receiving] that sacrament: and therefore, because Penance was principally instituted against actual sin, whichever other sacrament may blot out actual sin from consequence, does not exclude the necessity of Penance. (Super Sent., lib. 4 d. 23 q. 1 a. 2 qc. 1 ad 1.)

Really? Here’s something else that Fr. Muller wrote:This clearly shows that what he [Fr. Muller] said is completely in accord with Catholic doctrine
An ardent desire of baptism, accompanied with faith in Jesus Christ and true repentance, is, with God, like the baptism of water. In this case, the words of the Blessed Virgin are verified: “The Lord has filled the hungry with good things” (Lk. 1:35). He bestows the good things of heaven upon those who die with the desire of baptism …]
Although it be true that the fathers of the Church have believed and taught that the baptism of desire may supply the baptism of water, yet this doctrine, as St. Augustine observes, should not make any one delay ordinary baptism when he is able to receive it; for, such a delay of baptism is always attended with great danger [to] salvation. …]
There is still another case in which a person may be justified and saved without having actually received the sacrament of baptism, viz.: the case of a person suffering martyrdom for the faith before he has been able to receive baptism. (From God the Teacher of Mankind: Grace and the Sacraments, qtd. in Laisney, Is Feeneyism Catholic?, p. 82)