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jerry_kelso
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PJM: the real truth is that we will not come to the same conclusion on everything because of hermeneutics and disagreement on history.Excuse me for smilingWhat is your proof of this?
Excuse me for smilingWhat is your proof of this? The Apostles were mostly Jews and are Definitely Catholics!
âThe Wayâ were later called âChristiansâ who later were [are] called âCatholics.â** Notice Iâm providing evidence of my position.**
âThe combination âthe Catholic Churchâ (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110. The words run: âWheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal [katholike] Church.â⌠âFrom this time forward the technical signification of the word Catholic meets us with increasing frequency both East and West, until by the beginning of the fourth century it seems to have almost entirely supplanted the primitive and more general meaning.â Encyclopedia
You will notice that the term Protestant is not in the bible either and it came along about 1,400 YEARS AFTER the term âCatholic.â Friend your Pontificating without knowing what your talking about.
Again you donât know what your talking about. PLUS itâs a different topic. You want to start a discussion on Peter and âthe Rockâ start a new String and PLEASE let me know about it.
What the heck is the âmessianic Kingdomâ? If it has to do with getting to heaven then the terms are synonymous.
âIt is an indisputably established historical fact that St. Peter laboured in Rome during the last portion of his life, and there ended his earthly course by martyrdom. As to the duration of his Apostolic activity in the Roman capital, the continuity or otherwise of his residence there, the details and success of his labours, and the chronology of his arrival and death, all these questions are uncertain, and can be solved only on hypotheses more or less well-founded. The essential fact is that Peter died at Rome: this constitutes the historical foundation of the claim of the Bishops of Rome to the Apostolic Primacy of Peter. St. Peterâs residence and death in Rome are established beyond contention as historical facts by a series of distinct testimonies extending from the end of the first to the end of the second centuries, and issuing from several lands.â
Thank you for your observation friend. By the way where in the Bible does it say âeverything is in the bible.â The closest references I could find are: Jn. 20: 30-31; Jn. 21: 24-25. Perhaps you can further educate me?
Love and prayers my friend,
Pat
I have no problem with the fact that just because the Bible omits facts that history canât be true. The problem is when it contradicts plain reasoning of a statement that is in the Bible. This is. The same reasoning that you use about scriptures that you say is open to interpretation. You are not worried about the interpretation that a member has as long as it doesnât contradict your main doctrine and dogma of the church.
Your misuse of the word catholic and deception of Peter being the apostle in Rome like he started te church there is not right. And the church had been wanting Paul to come for years, so they couldnât have started it together. Furthermore, Paul was the apostle to the gentiles mainly while Peter was apostle to the jews.
If you donât understand the messianic kingdom you donât understand the Kingdom of Heaven message which is another subject that is critical to getting doctrine right.
The only thing that indisputable is in accordance to your hermeneutics and history. The indisputable fact is that it doesnât reconcile with the scriptures and itâs context.
God Bless Jerry Kelso