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God gave us free will, but before the earth was made he knew what we would do with our free will.

Prophecies in the bible confirm this line of thinking. God already knows what is going to happen in the future, we are not robots or puppets created by God, but he knows what actions and choices we will make even before we do it.

God knows who will be saved and who will not be saved. He knew even before the earth was created who would be saved and who would not be saved.
 
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God gave us free will, but before the earth was made he knew what we would do with our free will.

Prophecies in the bible confirm this line of thinking. God already knows what is going to happen in the future, we are not robots or puppets created by God, but he knows what actions and choices we will make even before we do it.

God knows who will be saved and who will not be saved. He knew even before the earth was created who would be saved and who would not be saved.
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Do these facts bother you?
 
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God knows who will be saved and who will not be saved.
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Yes, God knows, but he does not determine. We alone determine, and we can decide either way. God knows our decisions, but he does not compel our decisions.

I know that Julius Caesar decided to cross the Rubicon River (and thus start civil war in Rome, leading to the end of the Roman Republic). I have full knowledge of this act, but I did not compel Gaius Julius to do it.

Julius could have dismissed his army, and entered Rome to a great celebration in his honor (his Triumph - the greatest honor that Rome could bestow upon a general), and then run for political office (with a great advantage). Had he chosen to do so, my knowledge of him would be quite different.

My knowledge of Julius is based on the freewill decisions that he made. God’s knowledge of Julius is based on the exact same thing. The only difference is that God is outside of time, and has known of the decision from the beginning of the earth, while I only know of it because I am within time, and Julius’ decision occurred before I lived.

But Julius was not compelled to cross the Rubicon because I know about it, nor was he compelled because God knew about it. He chose to do it, and he could have chosen otherwise.
 
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Do these facts bother you?
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No, they don’t bother me. I’m just trying to figure out whether we were predestined to be saved or if we were aforeknowledged. Meaning God knew who would be saved and chose us based on what he already knew we would do, instead of making us that way.

There are a few verses in the new testament that talk about vessels being made for wrath and some for mercy. Some verses of the bible seem to support presdestination and others support free will, the trick is explaining how they mingle together. The bible can not contradict, so it must be predestination or free will or a combination of both,
 
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