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I just wanted to ask for scriptures to be posted that talk about salvation. Answers on what gets us into heaven.

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Dianne3194 said:
I just wanted to ask for scriptures to be posted that talk about salvation. Answers on what gets us into heaven.

thanks!🙂
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Dianne I sugget you read Paul’s letter to the Romans. It makes the case for Christianity.
 
John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but through me.

Acts 4:12 “There is no other name that saves than Jesus…”

Matthew 19:17 “If you wish to enter eternal life keep the commandements.”

Mark 16:16 “Whoever believes and is bptized will be saved.”

Matthew 25:31 -to end of the Chapter —the goats and sheep—the sheep enter eternal life because they are the ones who clothe the naked, feed the hungry, visit the imprisoned, etc—IT IS THE LAST JUDGMENT PARABLE.

There are tons of verses basically one can see one need to be Baptized, have faith in Christ and all his teachings, and do good works with he help of God’s grace. That is a basic condensed overview.
 
Thanks for your posts. Very helpful.
Do you feel its important to surrender you life to Jesus and pray a prayer to tell him you are his and are sorry for your sins?
 
Dianne3194 said:
Thanks for your posts. Very helpful.
Do you feel its important to surrender you life to Jesus and pray a prayer to tell him you are his and are sorry for your sins?
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I am assuming you mean this in terms of the Evangelical and Fundamentalist tradition where a person either goes up for an altar call or another Christian leads him to the Lord and they say a prayer committing themselves to Jesus and repenting of of their sins, thus becoming “born again”.

Catholics certainly do believe in surrendering their lives to Jesus Christ, but it is not a one-time event in their lives. It is a daily, sometimes hourly, sometimes minute by minute surrendering of their will and life to Jesus. It is an ongoing continual process. We always need to surrender our lives to Jesus. Sometimes in times of great trial, sometimes in times of temptation. Sometimes God will reveal to us areas where we have not surrendered fully to Him as we grow in our Christian faith. Sometimes what we want is not what the Lord wants, and we learn to surrender our will to His.

Many of us have “conversion experiences” where we meet the living Lord in a powerful way. Many of us just grow up sort of “knowing” the Lord and fully maturing in our faith throughout our lives. Some of us are backsliders and return to the Lord. But it is never just a one-time surrendering event. We attempt to continually submit ourselves to God’s will. And that is very Biblical.

Repentance is not just telling God we are sorry for our sins. Repentence is a turning away from our sins and changing our lives to conform to God’s will. Every time we sin, we need to repent and also tell God we are sorry. We need to change our behavior. And yes, we pray to God about this. We have the Sacrament of Confession (Reconciliation) where we go and confess our sins to God and the priest and seek forgiveness from God. It is God who forgives our sins, not the priest. We are then reconciled with God and with the Church, the Body of Christ, because sin not only damages us, it also damages the Body of Christ–and that is Biblical also.

Our understanding of sin and surrender is much deeper than what your question implies. It involves not only us and God, but also the entire Body of Christ, because each individual makes up a necessary part of His Body, and everything we do affects it. We are not just a “me and Jesus” Church. We need a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, but we also need a relationship with His Mystical Body. I hope this helps.
 
Dianne3194 said:
Thanks for your posts. Very helpful.
Do you feel its important to surrender you life to Jesus and pray a prayer to tell him you are his and are sorry for your sins?
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Yes, if you are wonderig what the difference between what Catholics believe is required for salvation and what Protestants believe (I don’t know if that is what you are asking), I would explain it this way.

Although there are hundreds of different beliefs in Protestantism today, this is what was believed at the beginning, and is what caused the split.

Simply put, the Protestants denied free will, which means they did not think it was possible for us to obey God. Therefore, they taught that salvation comes about through faith “alone” - by adding the word “alone” they meant to exclude anything that pertained to the use of the will, such as obedience to God.

Catholics maintained, and still do maintain, that we are required to submit both our intellect (to believe), and our will (to obey). The Protestants denied the secont (submission of the will) since they denied that man possessed free will.

That is why Protestants today say that you will be saved if you simply “accept Jesus as your personal savior” at a meeting one time in your life. They believe this suffices as an act of faith, and since they think an act of faith suffices for salvation, they claim that this one act of faith guarantees that the person will be saved.

Catholics say the initial act of faith is a good start, but not enough. It must be followed through by obeying what Jesus commanded. As Jesus said “why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say” (Luke)

If my reply answers what you were getting at, I would be happy to give you some quotes from the first Protestant (Martin Luther) confirming what I wrote.

If your question was something else entirely… sorry :o
 
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I am assuming you mean this in terms of the Evangelical and Fundamentalist tradition where a person either goes up for an altar call or another Christian leads him to the Lord and they say a prayer committing themselves to Jesus and repenting of of their sins, thus becoming “born again”.

Catholics certainly do believe in surrendering their lives to Jesus Christ, but it is not a one-time event in their lives. It is a daily, sometimes hourly, sometimes minute by minute surrendering of their will and life to Jesus. It is an ongoing continual process. We always need to surrender our lives to Jesus. Sometimes in times of great trial, sometimes in times of temptation. Sometimes God will reveal to us areas where we have not surrendered fully to Him as we grow in our Christian faith. Sometimes what we want is not what the Lord wants, and we learn to surrender our will to His.

Many of us have “conversion experiences” where we meet the living Lord in a powerful way. Many of us just grow up sort of “knowing” the Lord and fully maturing in our faith throughout our lives. Some of us are backsliders and return to the Lord. But it is never just a one-time surrendering event. We attempt to continually submit ourselves to God’s will. And that is very Biblical.

Repentance is not just telling God we are sorry for our sins. Repentence is a turning away from our sins and changing our lives to conform to God’s will. Every time we sin, we need to repent and also tell God we are sorry. We need to change our behavior. And yes, we pray to God about this. We have the Sacrament of Confession (Reconciliation) where we go and confess our sins to God and the priest and seek forgiveness from God. It is God who forgives our sins, not the priest. We are then reconciled with God and with the Church, the Body of Christ, because sin not only damages us, it also damages the Body of Christ–and that is Biblical also.

Our understanding of sin and surrender is much deeper than what your question implies. It involves not only us and God, but also the entire Body of Christ, because each individual makes up a necessary part of His Body, and everything we do affects it. We are not just a “me and Jesus” Church. We need a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, but we also need a relationship with His Mystical Body. I hope this helps.
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Thanks for your response. I’m trying to gain a better understanding of what the Catholic church teaches because my grampa is dying and I want to minister to him in a sensitive way.

I really like what you said about how we have to be aware of how the body has many parts and we have to be sensitive to the entire body. I just know that in my Catholic upbringing I never understood the importance of surrendering my life to Jesus and giving him full charge of my life. I thought that’s what the “holy” people did, meaning the nuns and priests, and that the ordinary people like me went to church on Sundays and prayed sometimes. When I had an experience where I actually surrendered my life to Jesus I felt it actually emptied me of myself. It was the first step for me in leading a life where I did surrender to him on a daily basis. I felt it was like a wedding vow. That I had loved God for a long time but now I was ready to truly commit my life to him. This was 23 years ago and I have enjoyed living for Him ever since. It sounds like you are doing the same in your life. Thanks for your post.
 
Dianne3194 said:
Thanks for your response. I’m trying to gain a better understanding of what the Catholic church teaches because my grampa is dying and I want to minister to him in a sensitive way.

I really like what you said about how we have to be aware of how the body has many parts and we have to be sensitive to the entire body. I just know that in my Catholic upbringing I never understood the importance of surrendering my life to Jesus and giving him full charge of my life. I thought that’s what the “holy” people did, meaning the nuns and priests, and that the ordinary people like me went to church on Sundays and prayed sometimes. When I had an experience where I actually surrendered my life to Jesus I felt it actually emptied me of myself. It was the first step for me in leading a life where I did surrender to him on a daily basis. I felt it was like a wedding vow. That I had loved God for a long time but now I was ready to truly commit my life to him. This was 23 years ago and I have enjoyed living for Him ever since. It sounds like you are doing the same in your life. Thanks for your post.
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Unfortunately you probably grew up in post Vatican II Church.

The Church’s teaching never changed on the need for all Catholics to be holy, but the message got garbled by people who should have known better i.e. priests and nuns.

There was a lot of formalism before Vatican II(Not that formalism is all bad we all need good habits) but there was more of a commitment to living a holy life in general in the Church back then. Girls and guys were committed to virginity and going to mass and confession on a regular basis. (Heck my parent used to go to an hour of adoration of Our Lord for their Wed. night dates. There were two floors in the church the upper one was for married couples and the lower one was for single couple. They said to was packed with over 600 people ever week! On a Wednesday!)

There was a heresy, which was condemned by Pius X (known as Modernism) even though it was condemned it kept going in seminaries (it is a long story why this happened but trust me it happened) this heresy had taken over a greater part of priests and nuns by the early to middle 1970’s.

It is too bad that you had to experience this but you can also find Christ in his Church, like I have. I’ll pray that you will be open to God leading you back.

BTW If your grampa is sick and dieing I think you should call a priest to give him the anointing of the sick. I’ve done it with my parents several times and they have gotten back their health even though the doctors said they should die. There are other reasons but I won’t bore you with those right now. And I’ll pray for your grandpa.
 
My grandpa was 94 and just died last night. He did have the anointing of the sick last week though.
 
Dianne3194 said:
My grandpa was 94 and just died last night. He did have the anointing of the sick last week though.
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He was fortunate to have a grand daughter such as yourself. Be sure not to forget to pray for him now, since very few go straight to heaven.
 
Dianne3194 said:
My grandpa was 94 and just died last night. He did have the anointing of the sick last week though.
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I will pray for you grandfathers soul and of all the faithfully departed. I am sorry for your loss…
 
Dianne3194 said:
My grandpa was 94 and just died last night. He did have the anointing of the sick last week though.
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I’m sorry for you and your mother/father. It is great that he received the sacrament! It will wipe away any sin if he had contrition. There is also a plenary Indulgences if the priest gave the papal blessing connected with it. This one addition to the Church by PaulVI, which is great. We still have to suffer in Purgatory unless you make reparation in this life or gain:
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* "plenary" indulgences remit all of the existing temporal punishment due for the individual’s sins. An individual can only earn one plenary indulgence per day.
* "partial" indulgences remit only a part of the existing punishment.
here is a relatively accurate expalination of indugences

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence
 
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