Same-sex ‘marriage’ in the Church of Norway

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JonNC said:
Here is the eternal definition of marriage from Christ Himself:

. Mark 10

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But, of course,…

Jesus (here the Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his earlier views, you know, if he’d lived.
 
GKC said:
But, of course,…

Jesus (here the Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his earlier views, you know, if he’d lived.
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Lewis, the Great Divorce. Apt when speaking of human divorce and an intra-Church, uh, divorce.
 
Tomyris said:
Lewis, the Great Divorce. Apt when speaking of human divorce and an intra-Church, uh, divorce.
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What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste … so much promise cut short.

1st American edition, Chapter V, p. 40.
 
Tomyris said:
I’m asking myself, and then, you, why you started this thread. I think as a request for prayer (and to give background for the same) and perhaps as an outlet for frustration. My own denomination split from the major Presbyterian denom here over issues like this, and our particular church split from it and joined the more conservative demon over this kind of issue: Biblical morality or denominational rush to anything goes.

Of course you would expect various sorts to show up and mutter about Petrine authority, as has been done on a million threads here, often by the same people repeatedly. That is what you get on a Catholic Apologetic forum. But I would rather there be a compassionate response for your personal sorrow and sorrow for your Church than for there to be ANOTHER debate on things we have gone over a million times. I am afraid some will cheapen what you are going through to score a few tired apologetic points.

The pain I sense in you is deep and profound. I am deeply and profoundly sorry that you are bearing this cross. May God’s grace and peace go with you and may the Holy Spirit guide you. May we all unite in prayer, may there be unity in the Body of Christ; may HE prevail. We know He will.
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Conservative demon? You mean there are politics in the demonic world also?
 
LethalMouse said:
LOL made my day :rotfl:
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That may actually happen. The Russians have simulated an invasion of Norway. There is also currently a television series about Russia occupying Norway. Russia would liberate the Norwegian people from liberalism. They would bring in the Russian Orthodox Church to replace the Church of Norway.
 
Duane1966 said:
For now.
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I never make predictions and I’ll bet I never change that.

But I will also bet you a nickle and a half (my standard bet), that no Church of the Anglican Continuum will do so, in your or my lifetimes (after which the bet’s off).
 
GKC said:
What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste … so much promise cut short.

1st American edition, Chapter V, p. 40.
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This passage chilled me to the bone when I read it the first time. I couldn’t even highlight it. The shiver returned when I heard my college professors regurgitate the same sophistry as they imagined their own gray towns. Of course, any talk of that ‘make believe,’ colorful, substantive city further in and further up was quickly put down. College was hard. But now the professors run the churches and governments, too.
 
Thorolfr said:
The distinction between moral and ceremonial laws is a later development and there is not even complete agreement about what belongs in each category.
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False on the latter. Paul was quite clear when he noted that, “In Christ, there is neither Greek nor Hebrew.” Peter was clear when he dreamed of God commanding him to “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

And mostly false on the former. Disagreement largely comes on minutiae, and only in recent times, as society has been permitted to “change (the church) with the times.”

I’d like to direct you (heck, your whole synod) to the following educational programming: m.youtube.com/watch?v=4r2m_cffRjI
 
Father K, I am so sorry for what you’re experiencing. I can only pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you to do what is best for your flock. You have been rightly called and ordained; your call is of Heavenly origin - He will not abound on you.

Have you considered any of the bodies currently members in the ILC? lcms.org/partner-churches/norway

Let us also pray that the same fate does not befall other orthodox churches, including our Roman Catholic siblings. While it seems an impossibility that they’d abandon our Creator’s clear intention for marriage, “tolerance” for the alternative pervades their laity, too. Lord, have mercy on us all for the product of our great and many sins.
 
pablope said:
Sy Noe;13827904:
But this is not a church teaching…the church’s teaching is whether to marry a gay couple or not…so which is it…will it allow it or not…which is God’s will, according to the church of Norway?

It has to make a stand…it seems like it refuses to make a stand if it allows both.

So again…which is it…which will is God’s is the priest following?

a). To marry a gay couple

b). Not to marry a gay couple

A or B?
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c) A and B. It is allowed but not required by the priests. That seems to be where their discernment of God’s will is at the present.
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pablope said:
So…what you are saying, is you decided for yourself what is comfortable, you did not want your conscience to be bothered or developed by Church teaching you did not agree with.

In essence, you decide what is God’s will is? And for you, that which you agree with is the truth of God’s will?
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No that is not at all what I am saying. A lot of reading and prayer and discernment and reason and use of my brain goes into it.
 
steido01 said:
False on the latter. Paul was quite clear when he noted that, “In Christ, there is neither Greek nor Hebrew.” Peter was clear when he dreamed of God commanding him to “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

And mostly false on the former. Disagreement largely comes on minutiae, and only in recent times, as society has been permitted to “change (the church) with the times.”

I’d like to direct you (heck, your whole synod) to the following educational programming: m.youtube.com/watch?v=4r2m_cffRjI
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Switched around former and latter. Ugh. S’what I get for writing late at night on the phone.
 
steido01 said:
This passage chilled me to the bone when I read it the first time. I couldn’t even highlight it. The shiver returned when I heard my college professors regurgitate the same sophistry as they imagined their own gray towns. Of course, any talk of that ‘make believe,’ colorful, substantive city further in and further up was quickly put down. College was hard. But now the professors run the churches and governments, too.
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College was not so hard for me, in that respect. I discovered Chesterton and rediscovered Lewis. My courses didn’t lead to any such discussions. Though one of the profs I graded for did engage me in some basic materialism/monism arguments. No effect.
 
KjetilK said:
I am, as a priest in the Church of Norway, part of a group who seek alternative episcopal oversight (as in the Church of England), but I’m not especially optimistic.
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Two questions my friend.
  1. I have wondered for some months now the history of “the Church of Norway”, ever since I heard of it. It would be nice to hear it from someone as yourself, a part of it. I would greatly appreciate it if you could start a separate thread detailing it from your knowledge.
  2. Is the Church of England just going to momentarily prolong, do you have a reason for that direction than say the Catholic direction?
 
Sy Noe
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c) A and B. It is allowed but not required by the priests. That seems to be where their discernment of God’s will is at the present.
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And what of the future? Should they discern God’s will as permitting plural marriages, that is o.k. with you? With all due respect, Sy Noe,that is moral relativism. What may be true for some is not true for others, right? Catholic truth is true for Catholics and Church of Norway truth is true for its adherents. Is that about it? You are very quick to defend every decision made by every mainline protestant church that goes against the teachings of Christ as they have stood for 2,000 plus years. Why is that?
 
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