Same Sex Attraction and the Abuse Crisis

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Jimbo said:
Bishop Barron is calling for a lay group with forensic expertise be given access to Church documents so that we can find out not only the guilty, but the framework that allowed the abuse and the coverups. I’m 100% in favor of this.
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Awesome. I think Bishop Barron is inspired.
Jimbo said:
Well said.
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Thank you for “listening”!
 
Sorry, if one masturbates another male, the guy doing it is a homosexual. IMO. There should have been an investigation to learn the truth, If guilty the guy should have been thrown out. Even now a complaint should be filed.
 
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In this particular case, I don’t disagree.

So, if it is true that men with “deep seated homosexual tendencies” are not allowed in Seminary, and this man was allowed not only to continue in Seminary, but actually be ordained to the Priesthood, do you see that as a “homosexual” problem or a “leadership” problem?
 
Theo2 said:
Sorry, if one masturbates another male, the guy doing it is a homosexual. I
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Or a sexual predator (one who gets a sexual thrill sufficient to ejaculate if you want to be precise) and/or a homosexual. The two CAN go together. They do not ALWAYS go together. If you punish the perpetrator for engaging in homosexual actions, then you have allowed the greater crime to go unpunished and unresolved.

Edit: Sorry, guys. I wrote “one who gets a sexual thrill sufficient to ejaculate if you want to be precise”. To clarify, I meant “one who gets a sexual thrill sufficient to ejaculate due to the exercise of power, harm or violence upon another”. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that :roll_eyes:
 
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Aphelion said:
Homosexuality” is properly defined as “sexual attraction to men.” Men who are attracted to girls aren’t ordinary heterosexuals, and men who are attracted to boys aren’t ordinary homosexuals.
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Technically, it is a post-pubescent sexual attraction towards a post-pubescent member of the same sex.

Thus 30 year old male who is sexually interested in a 15 year old male is exhibiting a homosexual attraction.
 
CilladeRoma said:
Homosexuality is a part of the problem, a small one, but it is not the only one.
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It’s much more than “a small one”, when 81% of the abuse cases involved priests with boys past puberty, and a cardinal intimidating seminarians to sleep with him. This is a huge part of the problem.
 
CilladeRoma said:
This poor young man is devastated, as being a priest is all he ever dreamed of. Now, he can barely walk into a Church without reliving the whole thing.
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That’s a truly heartbreaking story and I know of a similar case in a different diocese. It’s heartbreaking that these crimes continue in our Church. However, most of this present valid outrage is crimes from the past, much has been done since the last crisis of the early 2000’s and actual abuse cases have greatly decreased since then. I believe that most dioceses in this country have been trying very hard to prevent and stop these abuses, which is on a good note.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
Sure they would. It’s not really sex, right? Aren’t we always saying that about homosexual acts to defend marriage between a man and a woman, or suggest that real love can’t exist between two people of the same sex?
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ConcernedConvert said:
Absolutely not. Whether it’s classified as normal sex or not doesn’t mean people can utilize it to justify homosexual acts.
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But they do. From the indictment:

> Parrakow further stated that he "thought that sex with a girl was sinful and that
> sex with a child was not violating them-it was doing something to them externally."

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The real problem is that priests are not allowed to marry in the Roman Catholic Church. U.S. Marines, Presidents and other persons with jobs requiring full dedication can marry. A married man has a wife. Roman Catholic priests only have each other, and children. Pope Francis can change this, same as he changed the rule that only a bishop, not a mere priest, can grant absolution for abortion. If all the Roman Catholics decided to bring their families and their offerings to their nearest Eastern Rite Catholic church that allows married men to be ordained (and some allow ordained men to marry) this would put pressure on Pope Francis to read 1 Timothy 3:2 again.
 
Fr Robert Altier


and another priest’s homily this week…

 
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Every Catholic should read Goodbye, Good Men - it is shocking, disturbing, eye-opening and explains everything.
 
“Church Crisis: Communist & Homosexual Infiltration…”

I think we must be in a time warp.

According to Wikipedia:
Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was an American politician who served as U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period in the United States in which Cold War tensions fueled fears of widespread Communist subversion. He is known for alleging that numerous Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers had infiltrated the United States federal government, universities, film industry, and elsewhere.

Former U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson has written, “The so-called ‘Red Scare’ has been the main focus of most historians of that period of time. A lesser-known element… and one that harmed far more people was the ‘Lavender Scare’, McCarthy and others conducted against homosexuals.”
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
 
SomebodySmart said:
The real problem is that priests are not allowed to marry in the Roman Catholic Church
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How do you explain the married men who molest, including married clergy. And so this doesn’t have to be revisited, the rate is the same whether clergy is married or unmarried.
SomebodySmart said:
Roman Catholic priests only have each other, and children
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This would be hilarious if it weren’t for the glare of your ignorance and anti-Catholic bias.
SomebodySmart said:
and some allow ordained men to marry
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Nope. Married men may be ordained but if already the ordained the priest or deacon may not marry.
 
I read it when it first came out. That there was homosexual behavior in Catholic seminaries was shocking at the time but I didnt see think it explained anything then and now I see it as kind of sensational. It doesn’t explain anything as I don’t recall reading about how the heirarchy and clericalism creates the perfect place for predatory priests to hide.
 
SomebodySmart said:
The real problem is that priests are not allowed to marry in the Roman Catholic Church. U.S. Marines, Presidents and other persons with jobs requiring full dedication can marry. A married man has a wife. Roman Catholic priests only have each other, and children. Pope Francis can change this, same as he changed the rule that only a bishop, not a mere priest, can grant absolution for abortion. If all the Roman Catholics decided to bring their families and their offerings to their nearest Eastern Rite Catholic church that allows married men to be ordained (and some allow ordained men to marry) this would put pressure on Pope Francis to read 1 Timothy 3:2 again.
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You might want to read this article from 2006…


Just a paragraph or two:
…in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

“[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

So, in order to better protect children, did media outlets start hounding the worse menace of the school systems, with headlines about a “Nationwide Teacher Molestation Cover-up” and by asking “Are Ed Schools Producing Pedophiles?”

No, they didn’t. That treatment was reserved for the Catholic Church, while the greater problem in the schools was ignored altogether.

As the National Catholic Register’s reporter Wayne Laugesen points out, the federal report said 422,000 California public-school students would be victims before graduation — a number that dwarfs the state’s entire Catholic-school enrollment of 143,000.

Yet, during the first half of 2002, the 61 largest newspapers in California ran nearly 2,000 stories about sexual abuse in Catholic institutions, mostly concerning past allegations. During the same period, those newspapers ran four stories about the federal government’s discovery of the much larger — and ongoing — abuse scandal in public schools.
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In case you missed the point: Teachers are allowed to marry and that has not prevented the problem.

Time to look for a different explanation.
 
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