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Edgar
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I also recommend listening to Michael Voris (youtube) on this subject.
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francisca.chapter2
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or the problem may simply be there isn’t enough people/ candidates joining the priesthood.
Tis_Bearself
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We are all aware of Michael Voris. I personally would not listen to him on this subject because he has a huge bias based on his personal experience and it seems to drive everything he does. I prefer someone who is more capable of a balanced view than Voris seems to be.
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Bruised_Reed
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His vitriol and viciousness are the opposite of persuasive to me.
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phil19034
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Yes, but MOST OF THE ABUSE (which hasn’t been mass reported yet) may just be with seminarians being abused.kainosktisis:
Pederasty is not a homosexual problem… it is still rape… albeit statutory rape. These are rapists we are dealing with.
The rumor is (which I beleive) is that more seminarians were sexually abused, sexually harassed, or consented to gay sex than the number of minors involved in the sex abuse scandal.
And if/when these abused seminarians become priests, they are just as likely to sexual abuse young adults too (if not minors).
The reason this is a homosexual issue is because the gay mafia within the Church was involved with covering up pedofilia and statutory rape in order to hide their sex scandals. (NOTE: is was not just the gay mafia involved with the cover-up, but the gay mafia’s reasons were to cover their scandals)
As bad as it is, the child sex abuse scandal is only a small part of the larger problem of unchaste behavior. And while heterosexual fornacation is an issue, the larger issue, which we are just starting to scratch the surface of in the mainstream news is the adult homosexual sex scandals, which I believe are vastly larger in number than the child sex abuse scandal.
For example: the number of gay Columbian men recruited to US Seminaries after being kicked out of seminaries in Columbia for being practing homosexuals is insane. Gay bishops and priests where recruiting these gay Columbian men to be purposefully be gay priests or gay concubines.
The whole thing is simply sick.
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kainosktisis
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Yes, I believe Fr. Altier mentioned this in his homily dated 19 Aug 2018.
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Bruised_Reed
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This sounds unhinged. I’ve not spent a lot of time thinking about gay men in the priesthood since reading Goodbye, Good Men years ago. And I’ve been wondering about the priests I’ve met who pinged my gaydar, priests who do good, and I couldn’t imagine that they are a part of some mafia. Are there corrupt priests who happen to be gay? No doubt about it. But there is no gay mafia in the Catholic priesthood, only in the imaginations of people who can’t conceive of the layers of corruption and the abuse of power because all they are driven to distraction by a sin they are at no risk of committing. How convenient.
Most gay men, even unchaste ones, aren’t covering up for pedophiles; this is where the abuse of power comes into play, and predators might have a preference but will usually take what they can get, who they have easy access to. The predators, not gay priests, protected the pedophiles.
I did a quick search for where you got your information and it will never be found credible. But there’s always someone ready to consume that stuff because hate makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside or something.
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StandUp4Truth
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According to secular culture, there are now a multitude of “sexualities” (in an ever-growing list), so almost anything goes now.
The old idea of “hetero vs. homo” no longer applies, so rather than “banning” a specific sexuality, it would make more sense to just state which sexualities are allowed to apply.
Nevermind that there is no effective way to accurately test anyone’s sexuality, although some countries are investing millions to use technology to do so. Imagine the media outcry if the RCC were to utilize the same sexuality-detecting technologies as these oppressive regimes!
To add to the complexity, some people switch sexualities or genders throughout the course of their lives, so it’s a moving target.
How about just a ban on any priests who have broken any of their vows?
The Church is going to be reluctant to do this because there are already too few priests, parishes are being consolidated and many shut down due to the shortage.
I think the reason that offenders have been sent off for rehabilitation in the past is that, like it or not, these priests are needed.
The Church has made a major investment in these individuals and they want to try to salvage that (if possible).
The idea of “cleaning house” or “zero tolerance” makes sense in theory, but in practice it could weaken the Church greatly through more closed parishes and more souls lost.
The only way that these theories could work is if there were a large influx of vocations to the priesthood in order to compensate for the losses.
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Theo2
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So any priest who sins against chastity? That would be a very large number.
Well in years past, the belief was that they could be cured. Either by rehab or by grace. Sadly that belief is wrong. No Bishop wants a priest who abuses children and none will take the chance with an known offender now.
Offending priest have weakened the church, clearly. The priest shortage is not caused by the Bishop. It is caused by Catholics using artificial contraception IMO. We reap what we sow. Parishes will have to be run by Deacons and masses will be few. Maybe then we will wake up!
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