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A chaste same sex attracted person does not have to disclose there desires to anyone. We all have some desire we do not disclose. There is no reason to.
 
Yes, attractions can change.

There is evidence that continued porn use by males can make them SSA.
 
Precisely…Man is the father of his acts…

thanks for coming around. if only you fully understood this point.

As I corrected you “morality doesn’t evaluate acts” an intellect does, perhaps clouded - as the Church teaches - by one’s past failures in pursuing the truth and doing the good.
 
Attractions CAN BE the results of prior sins…(Man is the father of his acts…)depends on how one got into a particular state of attractions…all the little yesses that should have been nos.
 
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Interestingly enough, epigenetics is showing tendencies can broadcast down a few generations. The Bible says, the sins of the fathers…
 
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Yes, attractions can change.

There is evidence that continued porn use by males can make them SSA.
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I agree, but is it then sinful to have this attraction? For some reason I was interested in men and then allowed myself to watch pornography
 
Inordinate desires are not sinful. Acting on them is.

Jesus calls us to self mastery. We all fight something,
 
Well I guess I have two thoughts.

We have moral culpability for getting into a state of “no freedom…lack of full consent of the will”

but that’s water over the bridge and it can be forgiven in Sacramental Confession…so beautifully and easily.

…but that confession/admission doesn’t absolve us of the work we have to do to get back into the light of truth and good.

we can’t simply shrug and say “can’t help it…let me go on and do what I’ve been doing”…or worse “you have to affirm my status…”

but God is very generous in the graces He gives the Church to help us come a bit closer each day into the light of the truth and the good.

He gives us the Sacraments.
He gives us the ability to pray.
He gives us spiritual direction
He gives us the human virtues…which - little by little - can help us get closer to the truth and the good.
He allows us to “begin again”…
He gives us the lives of the saints to aspire to holiness with.
He gives us Holy Scripture
He gives us each other…to help us get encouragement to get closer to God.

And none of this help is any different for anyone who has fallen into sin, unable it seems to change.
 
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Your last sentence is exactly right. Anarchy. Radical Individualism.
 
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but that confession/admission doesn’t absolve us of the work we have to do to get back into the light of truth and good.

we can’t simply shrug and say “can’t help it…let me go on and do what I’ve been doing”…or worse “you have to affirm my status…”
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I understand. As a SSA man who is also Catholic I won’t use the excuse of “I can’t help it…let me go on and do what I’ve been doing…or you have to affirm my status…” because I know the act of having sexual relations with another man is sinful with no justification.

The only thing I would say is that SSA isn’t sinful. It’s a temptation that is also a cross. Would you agree or disagree?
 
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It is your particular cross. We all have one.

You never get a cross though that is too big for your shoulders.
 
I don’t think it would be any different than a chaste heterosexual man and woman who living together for financial reasons.
 
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The attraction that has developed to the point it is today isn’t a sin…but so what.

Why do we look low and think…“well it’s not a sin”

do we look at the other end and ask “is my love today for God heroic?”

There’s a sad minimalism/legalism here…very pharasaical.
 
That’s usually brought up but how often is that really the case?
 
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The attraction that has developed to the point it is today isn’t a sin…but so what.

Why do we look low and think…“well it’s not a sin”
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That’s what’s also bugging me. The attraction is not a sin but for some reason I thought you did think it was a sin. My apologies.

Anyway, just because it’s not a sin doesn’t mean it should be ignored, but that also doesn’t mean we should let people fall into despair if they carry this cross.
 
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Having an “irresistible” inclination to gamble today, doesn’t absolve one from the hundred volitional acts of the will that led up to that inclination.

You understand this well, and have made that point clear. There are some here that want to conclude that there’s no future culpability to fully and heroically and exhaustively use - every day - the means that the Church provides to struggle toward God and the good.

Failing to use these means today/now can also be a sin.
Failing to make choices to avoid near occasions of sin…“what if I moved in wth my gay friend…” (and other endless…what ifs) could also be sinful and disruptive of one’s progress in “rectifying one’s current behavior and attractions with the good”.
 
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Having an “irresistible” inclination to gamble today…
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You use the word “irresistible” in the strangest way. Usually, an inclination is “irresistible” only if the urge cannot be resisted – i.e. an urge to have sex is only irresistible if one actually has sex. But you use it in your own sense, to mean: “an urge that one cannot help having, given one’s past”. That is simply not the way other people understand the word “irresistible”, and it is leading you to get in arguments here that are counterproductive.
 
I put it in quotes for a reason respecting the way others have talked about it here.

but tks for you comment.
 
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Having an “irresistible” inclination to gamble today, doesn’t absolve one from the hundred volitional acts of the will that led up to that inclination.
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Who talked about absolution? Perhaps in the sacraments forum? The sacrament of reconciliation is what you want.

You are constructing a straw man to cast same sex attraction in a sinful light.

Determining the root cause of something like same sex attraction is a matter for science, psychology, psychiatry. Causation is another issue. The Church does not propose a definitive cause for this.
You on the other hand seem convinced that people earn SSA by their sins. That is offensive and just plain wrong.
Anyone reading this blog should take note: the Catholic Church does not believe this, it is Edward’s individual opinion.

At the end of the day same sex attraction is not a sin. Acting on it is. The difference concerns the Church’s teaching on morality, which evaluates human acts as good/evil, not temptations or attractions.
Ed is blurring this very important distinction.
You understand this well, and have made that point clear. There are some here that want to conclude that there’s no future culpability to fully and heroically and exhaustively use - every day - the means that the Church provides to struggle toward God and the good.
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What you are proposing does not steer people to the good, if it did the Church would propose it with you. The Church does not. If you are out of step with the Church, you should reevaluate your position.
You have to speak truthfully to people before they will listen to you.
 
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