Same Sex Marriage in Australia

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An open letter to the Liberal Party on same sex “marriage”.

I urge the Liberal Party to ensure that there is no conscience vote for its members on same-sex marriage and that, during its coming term in office, there are no votes on that subject at all.

The Liberal Party was traditionally supposed to provide voters with choice on social issues. Increasingly it no longer does that. The Liberal Party still has a substantial component of conservative supporters, however, who expect it to protect Australia from the ravages of the left-wing social agenda. These people are passionately opposed to the kind of social degeneration pushed on us by the left. The perception that the Liberal Party is more conservative is the core reason why these people support it.

It is also true that the Party contains a substantial element that advocates left-wing social change. That is not the core reason why these people are in the Party, however. If left-wing social change were their greatest passion, they would belong to the Greens or the ALP. These people are principally in the Liberal Party because of its greater economic responsibility. When the Liberal Party supports left-wing social change, it severely alienates its conservative supporters, while at the same time only meeting the secondary political objectives of its left wing. This is bad politics.

It does not really matter whether the Liberal Party votes as a bloc for same-sex marriage, or whether it simply allows a conscience vote that results in enough of its members joining with Labor to ensure that it passes. In either case the Party would have failed to fulfill what its conservative supporters regard as its core mission.

Secondly, the SSM supporters and their media allies seem to be following a model where they intend to call this on for vote after vote, and continue to harass their opponents and wear them down one by one until they get it passed, and then stop all further debate on the subject.

Opponents of same-sex marriage should not accept that model. We have got better things to do than engage in a continuous defence of marriage until the homosexual activists get their way. We need the Liberal Party help level up the playing field. A fair model for this debate is to say: “we had a vote on this, the SSM activists lost and the subject is now closed for the indefinite future”.

Homosexuals are getting a disproportionate amount of attention. There are far more serious issues that should be occupying the Parliament’s time; like reigning in the deficit, fixing the broken project approvals process, stemming unsafe boat people arrivals, etc, etc. That point needs to be made to media activists who continually agitate for “SSM”.

The national obsession that homosexuals have been able to create with their agenda is truly bizarre. It is testament to the left’s hijack of the language of human rights. (George Orwell tried to warn us about this.) The right actually has far better credentials on human rights on the left, with its relatively recent support for various murderous communist regimes. Yet now the left is largely unchallenged in pretending that every plank of its social agenda is a fundamental human right, whereas our social agenda involves the repression of rights. Liberals need to fight to regain control of the rights debate and use it against the left. Implementation of the homosexual agenda has lead to a swathe of repression of its opponents. People who do not approve of the homosexual lifestyle are being harassed, driven out of business, fired from jobs, sued and (in one case in Sweden) sentenced to jail) without any right of redress all over Europe and North America.

Those in the Liberal Party who are wavering on this issue should ask themselves the question: “Does the Party stand for fundamental social principles or is it just an echo of what the Labor Party believed a decade ago?”

There was a time in Australian politics when one could ridicule political figures on the left on the basis that they were “pro-homosexual”. This was, for example, one key feature of attacks on the Australian Union of Students. The homosexuals have not come up with any new arguments to support their position since the time when their agenda was completely unacceptable to the mainstream. All they have done is continuously bleat the same thing over and over again until, like a naughty kid having a tantrum, mum gives in to get them to shut up. If far-left social policy can become mainstream simply by shrill repetition then the Liberals need to have a serious look at their own effectiveness as a Party of the right.

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Canada and the West Coast of America give us an insight into the next phase of the loony sexual agenda. (Note, I am not using a slippery slope argument here - things are already bad enough as they are). Canadian school students are being taught that there are six genders! US gender activists have argued that there are really no genders at all: we are all just at different points on the same continuum. They have use this theory to get legislation passed in various states allowing people to go into public toilets reserved for whatever gender they most “identify” with, regardless of what they really are. Again, the right is unable to mount effective opposition to this because the left is just “promoting people’s rights”. Opposition is bigotry.

One of the traditional strengths of the Liberal Party; and one of its key weapons in the struggle for power, was the ability to point out that the left are fruitcakes. We are losing our ability to do this because we have allowed the fruitcakes to take control of publicly funded centres of influence; principally the education system and the ABC. Further, those in private industry who enjoy public privileges, such as the commercial media, are permitted to abuse them by promoting the left-wing agenda.

A smart Liberal government; one that wanted to preserve its ability to win elections long term, would address the reasons why the left-wing social agenda is making such advances instead of simply rolling over and accepting it.

The average Australian, including many blue-collar Labor voters (e.g. the Howard battlers) know a loony when they see one. At the moment these people are too cowed to express their opinions for fear of being called bigots and homophobes, etc. The Liberal Party has an opportunity to provide more leadership for these people to enable them to feel free to express a greater diversity of opinions. Unfortunately some in the Party are themselves too scared of being branded right-wing by the media, and have made a virtue of necessity by moving to the left.

When the Liberal Party wins office a vital task will be to weed all left-wing material out of the school curriculum, close the ABC and try and figure out a way to inject some objectivity into the commercial media.

it is not enough just to defeat same-sex marriage. Same-sex marriage actually flows logically from previous advances in the homosexual agenda. Once you accept that a homosexual relationship has equal validity to a heterosexual relationship, then why can’t they get married? We need to stop just defending against attacks from the homosexuals and go on the front foot and seek to reverse the illegitimate gains they have made.

People who want to see marriage preserved must start making these points to their Liberal members of Parliament.
 
Good on you, Peters Mate, but I wonder how many Lib MPs are on this forum? 😉

My family and I are traditionally ALP voters in Australia but over the last few years we have all voted against them. Not only was I sickened by their treatment of Kevin Rudd but their social extremist positions have definitely alienated a lot of their voter base. In fact, I went so far as to print off 10,000 copies of a flyer written up against them and distribute them over the course of a few weeks over a couple of suburbs. (See attached. I didn’t get much of a response, except from a few angry citizens that said how dare I hand out material like this.)

Let’s hope our nation is able to withstand this barrage of nonsense and remain faithful to the true understanding of marriage, and let’s also hope we can gain wins on the abortion front too.
 
Thank you Jonathan. Just getting the word out there you never know who may find this while net searching.

Yes the ALP is strayed far away from its roots as a party for working class Catholics. Good on you for passing the flyer around.
 
I vote for the DLP now whenever I can.

Did you send the letter to the national Liberal Party and state branches?
 
Exhorting people to ban other people from acting with their consciences doesn’t seem, well, all that Christian to me.

If you believe there’s a valid argument against a thing, you should trust the argument rather than try to gerrymander the outcome.
 
Exhorting people to ban other people from acting with their consciences doesn’t seem, well, all that Christian to me.

If you believe there’s a valid argument against a thing, you should trust the argument rather than try to gerrymander the outcome.
There are plenty of valid arguments, Dex, and you know how many are being discussed in the media? Zilch. Because it’s all propaganda and images. Nobody wants to intelligently discuss the issue at all, except the Church, who is labelled as bigoted and retrograde.

When the engines of the culture are against you, you must fight them to establish the truth.

By the way, who is exhorting people to ban others from acting with their consciences?

And voicing your concerns to your MPs isn’t gerrymandering; it’s called the democratic process.
 
who is exhorting people to ban others from acting with their consciences?
The original poster in his ‘open letter’ is.
I urge the Liberal Party to ensure that there is no conscience vote for its members on same-sex marriage
And it is ‘gerrymandering’ if a party is preventing (on pain of disciplinary action) its MPs from voting with their consciences on an issue that is entirely built around positions of conscience.
 
The original poster in his ‘open letter’ is.

And it is ‘gerrymandering’ if a party is preventing (on pain of disciplinary action) its MPs from voting with their consciences on an issue that is entirely built around positions of conscience.
A “conscience vote” in Australian politics is essentially giving MPs a short leash to see if they are willing to tow the party-line of their own free will.

Regardless, this should not be a parliamentary issue but one for all voters of the nation to decide on. More democracy, not less. Bring on the mob (in good Chestertonian style, of course)!
 
IT is critical for people to read genesis at such times.
Which people did you have in mind, Chibi Violet?

Surely not our politicians - I don’t think they even know what Genesis is, apart from the Banks, Rutherford and Collins band, which I happen to be listening to presently (“Turn It On Again”).
 
Sending it to my local member maybe, to Tony Abott as well
Ask them to put it to a referendum, since it will requite a change to the Constitution since of the Marriage Amendment Act (2004):
Marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life. Certain unions are not marriages. A union solemnised in a foreign country between: (a) a man and another man; or (b) a woman and another woman; must not be recognised as a marriage in Australia.
 
If you believe there’s a valid argument against a thing, you should trust the argument rather than try to gerrymander the outcome.
So, does that also apply to Iran and Saudi Arabia?
 
I know very little about Australian politics in general, but I support this letter.
 
I know very little about Australian politics in general, but I support this letter.
From what little I know, Abbott opposes gay marriage, as do significant parts of both major parties (though most Laborites support it, much of their traditional support base are working-class social conservatives). IIRC the present Prime Minister, Gillard, an atheist, does not support it, but is unfortunately much more pro-abortion than Abbott.
 
An open letter to the Liberal Party on same sex “marriage”.

I urge the Liberal Party to ensure that there is no conscience vote for its members on same-sex marriage and that, during its coming term in office, there are no votes on that subject at all.
I think that you’re wrong, Peter.

Polls confirm that lifting the blanket opposition to marriage equality by allowing a conscience vote is a vote winner for the Coalition. Across the community, support for marriage equality has steadily risen to a current high of 64 per cent (52 per cent among Coalition voters).

Coalition voters understand what needs to be done. A Galaxy poll from May last year found that 77 per cent of Coalition voters support a conscience vote and believe it would be “a smart move” for Tony Abbott to allow one.

Coalition party members also get it. The East Sydney and Potts Point/Elizabeth Bay branches of the Liberal Party have endorsed a conscience vote.At their federal conference in Hobart at the weekend, the Young Liberals voted by a two thirds majority to support a marriage equality conscience vote. abc.net.au/unleashed/4504222.html

I think you’re swimming against the tide. And I think that Abbot (leader of the opposition)knows that he is as well and will quite possibly change his mind on the matter before the next election.

Maybe his sister will have a word. She’s gay. And he’s nothing if not a pragmatist and he could do worse that to listen to Newt Ginrich’s comments on the same matter:

“I think that [same-sex marriage] will be much more difficult than immigration for conservatism to come to grips with,” Gingrich told the Huffington Post. “It is in every family. It is in every community. The momentum is clearly now in the direction in finding some way to … accommodate and deal with reality.”

What’s charming about Gingrich is that he did not try to dress up this analysis as a change of heart. His argument, instead, is explicitly political: The public has moved – let’s chase them.
guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/20/newt-gingrich-republicans-gay-marriage
 
This all looks to me like the fulfillment of the end times prophecies of Sacred Scripture that warns of the whole world becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah before Christ returns.
 
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