Same sex marriage in Protestant churches

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SteveLy said:
The Episcopal Church just permitted blessing SS Relationships, as well as allowing transgendered people to be ordained. The United Church f Christ allows SS blessing as well. ** It would be difficult continuing to call TEC a Christian entity as they have walked away from the basic tenets of the Christian faith**.
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They are Christian until they don’t believe in the Holy Trinity. :signofcross:
 
Swiss_Guy said:
They are Christian until they don’t believe in the Holy Trinity. :signofcross:
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If I recall, didn’t Bishop James Pike of the Episcopal Church deny a whole load of doctrines, including the Trinity and the virgin birth of Christ. As I understand it, the church trials never disciplined him.
 
ltwin said:
If I recall, didn’t Bishop James Pike of the Episcopal Church deny a whole load of doctrines, including the Trinity and the virgin birth of Christ. As I understand it, the church trials never disciplined him.
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Well, lots of prochoice Catholic politicians aren’t disciplined even though the Church is vehemently pro-life. :(🤷
 
liturgyluver said:
No. The Episcopal church does not allow same-sex marriage. The only church as far as I am aware is the Lutheran Church in Sweden.
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For years, the bishops of the US Episcopal Church have been looking the other way when clergy blessed same sex couple’s relationships. Just a few days ago, the Episcopal Church’s General Convention approved a provisional rite of blessing of same sex relationships. Excerpts of the document the church made its decision on can be seen here: I Will Bless You and You Will Be a Blessing: Resources for Blessing Same-Gender Relationships. This resource also includes the liturgy that was considered.
 
Grace & Peace!
ltwin said:
If I recall, didn’t Bishop James Pike of the Episcopal Church deny a whole load of doctrines, including the Trinity and the virgin birth of Christ. As I understand it, the church trials never disciplined him.
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Christianity in general would be in bad shape if the presence of a few heretical bishops meant that the Church as a whole or even in a specific place was no longer Christian…

Anyway, all us “Protestants” are material heretics to our Roman Catholic brethren!

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
James Albert Pike was Bishop of California from 1958 to 1966. He authored the authoritative book on church doctrine, the Faith of the Church in 1951, but as bishop of California, he began to question both the Virgin Birth and the Trinity, not so much on theological grounds, but on the grounds that such concepts were inconsistent with the modern mind. I no longer have a copy of A time for Christian Candor, but as I mentioned above, he tended to argue that these ideas were simply outmoded. He did not, to my recollection, make any suggestions as to what ideas might replace them.

You are correct. He was tried for heresy but never convicted. He resigned his episcopate in 1966, following the suicide of his son. When he remarried without permission of his successor, Chauncey Kilmer Meyers, Meyers forbad him from preaching in the diocese. Pike then left the church. He died as dramatically as he lived. He went into the Judean wilderness with a couple of bottles of CocaCola and had car trouble. His wife, Diane Kennedy Pike was successful at hiking out and getting help, but Pike was found dead in a kneeling position a few days later. I remember the whole thing fairly vividly. I attended the memorial service at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco (which Pike had substantially completed), and saw Bishop Meyers and Diane Kennedy Pike greet each other warmly.

He is buried in Jaffa, Israel.

It can be noted here that Pike was raised a Catholic and attended Santa Clara University in California. He wandered into St. John’s Lafayette Square (Episcopal church across the street from the White House) during WWII (he was a Navy lawyer) and met the curate, Howard Johnson, a noted Kierkegaard scholar who brought him into the Episcopal Church and substantially trained him for the priesthood. He was dean of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York prior to becoming Bishop of California.
ltwin said:
If I recall, didn’t Bishop James Pike of the Episcopal Church deny a whole load of doctrines, including the Trinity and the virgin birth of Christ. As I understand it, the church trials never disciplined him.
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Usbek_de_Perse said:
James Albert Pike was Bishop of California from 1958 to 1966. He authored the authoritative book on church doctrine, the Faith of the Church in 1951, but as bishop of California, he began to question both the Virgin Birth and the Trinity, not so much on theological grounds, but on the grounds that such concepts were inconsistent with the modern mind. I no longer have a copy of A time for Christian Candor, but as I mentioned above, he tended to argue that these ideas were simply outmoded. He did not, to my recollection, make any suggestions as to what ideas might replace them.

You are correct. He was tried for heresy but never convicted. He resigned his episcopate in 1966, following the suicide of his son. When he remarried without permission of his successor, Chauncey Kilmer Meyers, Meyers forbad him from preaching in the diocese. Pike then left the church. He died as dramatically as he lived. He went into the Judean wilderness with a couple of bottles of CocaCola and had car trouble. His wife, Diane Kennedy Pike was successful at hiking out and getting help, but Pike was found dead in a kneeling position a few days later. I remember the whole thing fairly vividly. I attended the memorial service at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco (which Pike had substantially completed), and saw Bishop Meyers and Diane Kennedy Pike greet each other warmly.

I believe he is buried in Jaffa, Israel

It can be noted here that Pike was raised a Catholic and attended Santa Clara University in California. He wandered into St. John’s Lafayette Square (Episcopal church across the street from the White House) during WWII (he was a Navy lawyer) and met the curate, Howard Johnson, a note Kierkegaard scholar who brought him into the Episcopal Church and substantially trained him for the priesthood. He was dean of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York prior to becoming Bishop of California.

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ltwin said:
For years, the bishops of the US Episcopal Church have been looking the other way when clergy blessed same sex couple’s relationships. Just a few days ago, the Episcopal Church’s General Convention approved a provisional rite of blessing of same sex relationships. Excerpts of the document the church made its decision on can be seen here: I Will Bless You and You Will Be a Blessing: Resources for Blessing Same-Gender Relationships. This resource also includes the liturgy that was considered.
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The rite they have just approved is for blessings not for marriage. Very few Christian churches will formally marry same-sex partners - the Swedish Lutheran church is one of the few.
 
liturgyluver said:
The rite they have just approved is for blessings not for marriage. Very few Christian churches will formally marry same-sex partners - the Swedish Lutheran church is one of the few.
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That is symantics. RINGS ARE EXCHANGED AND VOWS ARE TAKEN. Anyone who thinks there is a difference between a ceremony of blessing and marriage is fooling themselves.
 
Deo_Volente said:
Grace & Peace!

Christianity in general would be in bad shape if the presence of a few heretical bishops meant that the Church as a whole or even in a specific place was no longer Christian…

Anyway, all us “Protestants” are material heretics to our Roman Catholic brethren!

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
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Oh well even Catholics whom the Catholic Church considers Catholic by virtue of their Baptism and Confirmation according to the Roman rite, may not be considered a Catholic on this site.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
The Protestant church I grew up in performed gay marriages. Actually, they leave it up to each individual congregation to decide whether or not they will. But many, if not most do. (Disciples of Christ church)
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I don’t know about most. But I do know a DoC pastor has told me in regard to the ordination of homosexuals, some Disciples regions ordain practicing homosexuals, the majority do not. Some leave it to the congregations in a region. I’d be surprised in light of this if anywhere near most actually perform gay marriages.
 
liturgyluver said:
The rite they have just approved is for blessings not for marriage. Very few Christian churches will formally marry same-sex partners - the Swedish Lutheran church is one of the few.
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Before learning about the Swedish Lutherans in your post, the United Church of Christ is the only one I knew of that has actually endorsed SS marriage. But I’m not even sure how many actual marriages have been performed in the UCC and it is very congregational in the sense that much is left to the discretion of congregations.
 
In the Society of Friends, typically those Meetings that are members of Friends General Conference…some Friends United Meeting…and most independent un-programmed meetings…there are some Evangelical Meetings which also celebrate same sex unions/marriages.

Typically it is up to the discretion of each Monthly Meeting and/or Yearly Meeting.
 
Publisher said:
In the Society of Friends, typically those Meetings that are members of Friends General Conference…some Friends United Meeting…and most independent un-programmed meetings…there are some Evangelical Meetings which also celebrate same sex unions/marriages.

Typically it is up to the discretion of each Monthly Meeting and/or Yearly Meeting.
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Publisher, does the Society of Friends endorse SS marriage as the UCC does? I wasn’t aware of this if they do. God bless and peace.
 
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