Same sex marriage laws

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For those who believe that all same sex couples should be allowed civil marriages in all states, do you also support marriage rights for people in what would be termed an incestous relationship? (i.e. brother/sister, uncle/niece, brother/brother)

Please give reasons for your support/non-support.

I don’t wish to debate, I am hoping to understand better your logic behind supporting same sex marriage.
 
do you also support marriage rights for people in what would be termed an incestous relationship? (i.e. brother/sister, uncle/niece, brother/brother)
They are not comparable. They are two totally different, unrelated issues. There is no drive to recognize these. Inter-family is totally different than two strangers eventually getting together to marry.
 
They are not comparable. They are two totally different, unrelated issues. There is no drive to recognize these. Inter-family is totally different than two strangers eventually getting together to marry.
So I guess that is a no to marriage rights for incestuous partner for you?🤷
 
I’m not for calling it marriage necessarily. I just think we should strike all the antisodomy laws off the books.
 
The very framing of the issue is so nonsensical as to call into question the motive of the OP. It is not seriously asked IMO.
 
For those who believe that all same sex couples should be allowed civil marriages in all states, do you also support marriage rights for people in what would be termed an incestous relationship? (i.e. brother/sister, uncle/niece, brother/brother)

Please give reasons for your support/non-support.
It is my understanding that incestuous sexual relations are illegal. Same sex sexual relations are not. This also means that there would not be a case for same sex marriage between brothers, sisters or any other consanguinous relationship that is considered by law to be incestuous any more than there would be for heterosexual marriage in those cases.

Note that the laws vary from state to state as to which ones are considered incest. In some states first cousins, for instance, can marry, in others not, in others they can marry only if they are over 65 or medically considered sterile. The definitions also do not necessarily coincide with the level of consanguinuity that the Catholic Church considers to be a barrier to marriage.
 
are we trying to revive sodom and gomorra? because if we are, i am sure God can destroy it again. what is good does a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul. live a life that is pleasing to Jesus and not to ourselves. Amen
 
are we trying to revive sodom and gomorra? because if we are, i am sure God can destroy it again. what is good does a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul. live a life that is pleasing to Jesus and not to ourselves. Amen
A particular form of intercourse (one which is practiced by both heterosexuals and homosexuals) may well have been involved in the case of Sodom and Gommorah, but it was not the only or, at least according to Ezekiel, primary reason for its destruction.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
  • 49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.*
socialaction.com/education_resources/weekly_torah/bereshit_genesis/Vayera/SinofSodom.shtml

*The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: “Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy” (16:49). The prophet’s description combined with what the Torah reveals to us gives us the following picture: the people of Sodom insisted on preserving their high quality of living to such an extent they established a principle not to let the poor and homeless reside in their city. Consequently when a destitute person would come seeking help, they would revoke his right to any welfare—public or private! By doing this they figured they would preserve an elite upper class community who would monopolize the profits that the bountiful land offers without having to distribute any revenues to a “lower class” of people.

An opinion in the Mishna in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is yours.” The Mishna decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.*

Given that, however, you are still left with the fact that American civil law is not determined by the laws of any particular religion, Christian, Jewish or otherwise. What is being discussed is civil marriage, not religious sacramental marriage. The one does not require that the other be granted.
 
A particular form of intercourse (one which is practiced by both heterosexuals and homosexuals) may well have been involved in the case of Sodom and Gommorah, but it was not the only or, at least according to Ezekiel, primary reason for its destruction.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

socialaction.com/education_resources/weekly_torah/bereshit_genesis/Vayera/SinofSodom.shtml

The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: “Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy” (16:49). The prophet’s description combined with what the Torah reveals to us gives us the following picture: the people of Sodom insisted on preserving their high quality of living to such an extent they established a principle not to let the poor and homeless reside in their city. Consequently when a destitute person would come seeking help, they would revoke his right to any welfare—public or private! By doing this they figured they would preserve an elite upper class community who would monopolize the profits that the bountiful land offers without having to distribute any revenues to a “lower class” of people.

An opinion in the Mishna in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is yours.” The Mishna decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.


Given that, however, you are still left with the fact that American civil law is not determined by the laws of any particular religion, Christian, Jewish or otherwise. What is being discussed is civil marriage, not religious sacramental marriage. The one does not require that the other be granted.
I always found also that the Sodom story was one of rape not consensual sex as we know it today. Thank you for going into detail here. And if a particular act was condemned why are soem heterosexuals permitted to perform it? That question has still not been answered by anyone.
 
Simply Incest is illegal, being gay isn’t. I plan on having a SSM some day, there’s nothing wrong with it.
 
Whoops! i forgot how “pro-family” members on here are. I think there’s nothing wrong with it, God isn’t against love.
Nope not against love but against what you are advocating;)

And I dont buy the * WHOOPS I forgot how pro-family members are here?* this is a Catholic Forum, or did that slip your mind too:p
 
Nope not against love but against what you are advocating;)

And I dont buy the * WHOOPS I forgot how pro-family members are here?* this is a Catholic Forum, or did that slip your mind too:p
I was in the hospital for a month for suicidal urges, they switched my meds so many times I can’t think straight at times, also I have pro-gay catholic friends, sorry.

And it is love.
🙂
 
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