Same-Sex Marriage

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Ortho:
I am perplexed about why it is important for children to se men and women together. Why?
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Because that’s how children are created and it fulfills their needs of being made to feel like they were created in a stable, loving, environment.
 
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Ortho:
My next door neighbor did a very good job raising her kids after her husband died. All are well adjusted, contributing members of society. That’s antecdotal, but that’s what you asked for.

Do you contend Catholic single parents are doing a poor job raising their kids? Why?
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Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I didn’t say they are doing a poor job, but at the risk of sounding like I am repeating myself, I will say that all children benefit most from being raised in a stable, loving environment with a mother and a father.

I am sure most of the single parents are doing the best that they can do given the circumstances they are in, but would probably,(the majority of them) prefer to be doing it with some help from the other parent.
 
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luvmykids:
Needless to say, this so called stable, loving relationship ended about a year or so later. How would this have been good for a child if one would have been procreated this way? Doesn’t sound like it was a very stable union. They must not have been happy enough together to have had a child? Why must we continue to play with the lives of children this way?
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Are you seriously proposing the instability of shack up relationships among lesbians as an impediment to SSM when 50%+ of heterosexual marriages end in divorce?

Give me a break.

As far as the devastating effects among children you are so worried about, I’m afraid that’s already happened. And it wasn’t because of SSM.
A classification of children ages 14-18 by family system is evocative. Presently 6% of American children live with a single, never-married parent. 42% live in a traditional, nuclear family. 22% live in a second marriage, two-parent family. 6% live with a cohabiting couple. 21% live with a single parent. 3% live with a single, widowed parent. 40% or 25 million American children presently live without their father. The traditional, nuclear family has ceased to be the environment in which the majority of American children are being raised (See Figure 4.5).
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www2.duq.edu/familyinstitute/templates/features/csmf/children.html
 
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BillP:
Are you seriously proposing the instability of shack up relationships among lesbians as an impediment to SSM when 50%+ of heterosexual marriages end in divorce?

Give me a break.

As far as the devastating effects among children you are so worried about, I’m afraid that’s already happened. And it wasn’t because of SSM.

www2.duq.edu/familyinstitute/templates/features/csmf/children.html
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Ok, well if you want studies I’m sure that I can come up with a bunch myself. How about this one.
In a 1988 study published in the Archives of
Sexual Behavior, 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual
or bisexual.Child prostitution expert Dr. Jennifer James reports that
the number of boy prostitutes who identify themselves as homosexuals
has risen from 10% to 60% in the last fifteen years.
Most of the public is by now aware of NAMBLA, a group that openly
Psychological Reports article, found that
homosexuals account for between 25% and 40% of all child molestation.
Sex researchers Freund, Heasman, Racansky, and Glancy, for example,
in an 1984 Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article, put the number
at 36%. Erickson, Walbek, Sely, in a 1988 Archives of Sexual Behavior
article, places it at 86% when the children being molested are male.
However, it should be noted that homosexuals account for only 2%
of the population which statistically means that a child molester is ten to
twenty times more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual.In other
words, heterosexual molestations proportionally are a fraction compared
to homosexual molestations. More recent studies confirm this statistic.
In 2000, the Archives of Sexual Behavior published an article by seven
sex researchers concluding that ‘‘around 25-40% of men attracted to
children prefer boys.
regent.edu/acad/schlaw/lawreview/articles/14_2baldwin.PDF

Again, how is citing studies of children that are already damaged building a case for putting more children at risk?
 
In the first place what is your point here? That homosexuals shouldn’t be permitted to marry becasuse some of them are child molesters? Well by your own sites:
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luvmykids:
Psychological Reports article, found that
homosexuals account for between 25% and 40% of all child molestation.
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Which leaves 60% to 75% of child molestation accounted for by heterosexuals.

By the way, among all human groups lesbians have the lowest rates of STD’s and Child molestation. Why shouldn’t they be permitted to marry?
 
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BillP:
In the first place what is your point here? That homosexuals shouldn’t be permitted to marry becasuse some of them are child molesters? Well by your own sites:

Which leaves 60% to 75% of child molestation accounted for by heterosexuals.

By the way, among all human groups lesbians have the lowest rates of STD’s and Child molestation. Why shouldn’t they be permitted to marry?
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Did you read the rest of it? they are only about 40%, but they only account for about 2% of the population…that’s a LARGE percentage of them molesting children. As far as I am concerned this indicates a disorder.

Fine if you want to tell the lesbian’s they can get married, but not the men, go ahead. That would go over real well.
 
What it all boils down to, is sexually we weren’t made to be with the same sex.

You won the argument. I guess there really are no good reasons against gay marriage, nor are there any against being married to more than one person, or against a child and an adult, if the child is consenting, or against beasteality. Anything goes, and it’s just getting worse. The line has to be drawn somewhere, but who’s to say where? It’s each individual’s right to decide this according to your logic.
 
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luvmykids:
I worked with a lesbian woman about 5 years ago who was with a so called stable partner and they were trying to get pregnant using donor sperm. The partner would inseminate this woman during their sex act with a syringe or whatever you would call it. Basically trying to mimic the heterosexual way of bringing forth life. Well, the woman failed to get pregnant after many unsuccessful attempts. Needless to say, this so called stable, loving relationship ended about a year or so later. How would this have been good for a child if one would have been procreated this way? Doesn’t sound like it was a very stable union. They must not have been happy enough together to have had a child? Why must we continue to play with the lives of children this way?
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I worked with a Catholic heterosexual couple who tried to get pregnant for three years. They succeeded and a year after the birth they divorced. “How would this have been good for a child if one would have been procreated this way? Doesn’t sound like it was a very stable union. They must not have been happy enough together to have had a child? Why must we continue to play with the lives of children this way?”
 
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luvmykids:
Because that’s how children are created and it fulfills their needs of being made to feel like they were created in a stable, loving, environment.
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Children are not created by 70-year-olds.
 
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luvmykids:
Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I didn’t say they are doing a poor job, but at the risk of sounding like I am repeating myself, I will say that all children benefit most from being raised in a stable, loving environment with a mother and a father.

I am sure most of the single parents are doing the best that they can do given the circumstances they are in, but would probably,(the majority of them) prefer to be doing it with some help from the other parent.
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They might prefer help, but are doing a very good job. So what’s the problem?
 
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Ortho:
They might prefer help, but are doing a very good job. So what’s the problem?
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Again, missing the point…2 wrongs don’t make a right…just because there are children already in sub-optimal situations doesn’t give us the right to just create more of the them for the sake of our so-called happiness.
 
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Ortho:
I worked with a Catholic heterosexual couple who tried to get pregnant for three years. They succeeded and a year after the birth they divorced. “How would this have been good for a child if one would have been procreated this way? Doesn’t sound like it was a very stable union. They must not have been happy enough together to have had a child? Why must we continue to play with the lives of children this way?”
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The point here is not just that they were divorced a year later, but that the lesbian couple were deliberately trying to create a human being in an environment without a father. Why do that deliberately. This happens to our children, but not normally deliberate.
 
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luvmykids:
Again, missing the point…2 wrongs don’t make a right…just because there are children already in sub-optimal situations doesn’t give us the right to just create more of the them for the sake of our so-called happiness.
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Is a Catholic family headed by a single parent wrong?
 
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luvmykids:
The point here is not just that they were divorced a year later, but that the lesbian couple were deliberately trying to create a human being in an environment without a father. Why do that deliberately. This happens to our children, but not normally deliberate.
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Every child has a father. (To date.)
 
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Ortho:
Is a Catholic family headed by a single parent wrong?
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Not wrong, but can’t we just agree that it is not an optimal situation, but a situation that is unfortunate?
 
Ortho said:
70-year-old men and women don’t create children.
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No, but they may already have children and grandchildren. There are 70 year old grandparents that are sole caregivers to their grandchildren. Also I highly doubt that a child is going to think, “hmmm, why are they together? She most certainly must have hit menopause.”
 
Same Sex marriages are immoral, period. They cheapen the Sacrament of Marriage, even if it “only a Civil Union” SSM’s make a mockery out of what is God’s Plan. Marriage, plain and simple in The Catholic Church (as well as many other Religions) is meant to be between a man and a woman, and in our Religion we are called to be open to life. If for some reason, be it infertility, age or any reason beyond your control you can not have children, you must still be open to life, for one never knows. In a same sex marriage there is no way you can be open to life. (please don’t start with the sperm donor routine-how they can be open to life–God did not intend for us to be concieved via turkey baister):banghead: Marriage=man+woman>>>children. Get it???
 
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