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NM505StKate
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Let both have civil unions and marriages. Nothing special about the word marriage. Awesome post btw,
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clem456
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What are words for?
Some are frivolous, others have deep meaning, and describe foundational realities.
“Human”
That is a word. Do you think the word “human” is special, as you say? Should it’s meaning be subject to public whim? Before you answer, think of the implications.
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kozlosap
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Regina - As parents, we all try to help our children navigate this increasingly complex world. You should teach your children as you see fit. What has happened in their last thirty years since gay individuals began to exit that closet, is that our children now personally know and socialize with their LGBTQ peers.So does that mean I just sit back and let my kids figure this out for themselves?
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kozlosap
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Happy rainy Tuesday Ed, from the state capitol! I am referring to the fact that most young adults have figured out their views about gay individuals by the time they go away to college. My Dad was a very dear person, but he was born in 1918 and had different views than myself on interracial marriage in the 60’s when I was a teenager. This entire situation concerning acceptance of gay rights is very similar.
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Rau
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And there is no doubt that, as a consequence they may feel a great deal more empathy and sympathy toward them in all matters, including their desire for sexual intimacy. This, combined with a lack of proper education is one key reason why we see wide suppurt for SSM. It is misguided, but flows from a desire to be kind.Regina - As parents, we all try to help our children navigate this increasingly complex world. You should teach your children as you see fit. What has happened in their last thirty years since gay individuals began to exit that closet, is that our children now personally know and socialize with their LGBTQ peers.
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Rau
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In so far as people were misguided then, and are misguided now, though with different end results.Happy rainy Tuesday Ed, from the state capitol! I am referring to the fact that most young adults have figured out their views about gay individuals by the time they go away to college. My Dad was a very dear person, but he was born in 1918 and had different views than myself on interracial marriage in the 60’s when I was a teenager. This entire situation concerning acceptance of gay rights is very similar.
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edwest2
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It is not similar at all. It is still one man and one woman - black, Oriental, etc.Happy rainy Tuesday Ed, from the state capitol! I am referring to the fact that most young adults have figured out their views about gay individuals by the time they go away to college. My Dad was a very dear person, but he was born in 1918 and had different views than myself on interracial marriage in the 60’s when I was a teenager. This entire situation concerning acceptance of gay rights is very similar.
I don’t know what gay rights you refer to. The Supreme Court, not the people, made a grave error in the US.
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kozlosap
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Civil unions
Laws that classify someone being beaten or killed as a hate crime.
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edwest2
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Civil unions are not supported by the Church.
Anybody beating or killing someone can fall into the hate crime category, but not always. If a white man kills another white man (total stranger) for his money or his car, that would not qualify.
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Rau
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By accepting the idea that marriage is established by governments and may involve whichever parties the governments decides.
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Rau
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Civil unions may have been acceptable had they not been established as marriage lookalikes. Had they simply addressed the legal requirements surrounding inheritance, mutual care, asset and income sharing and the like, and been open widely, they may have been acceptable.
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edwest2
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But the word Hate is always invoked. From the Human Rights Campaign site:
“These far reaching measures range from a proposed Joint House Resolution that would put the right to discriminate on the ballot; an extremely dangerous pro-“conversion therapy” bill; numerous pieces of legislation attempting to undermine marriage equality; proposals aimed at authorizing individuals, businesses, and taxpayer-funded agencies to cite religion as a legal reason to refuse goods or services to LGBT people; bills seeking to restrict transgender people from using facilities consistent with their gender identity; and even a bill explicitly allowing student groups to exclude some students – including those who are LGBT – without losing university recognition or funds for doing so. One outrageous bill – Senate Bill 733 – even goes so far as to invade the privacy of all Oklahomans seeking marriage licenses by requiring them to be tested for communicable and infectious diseases – and unconscionably denying them a license if the test proves positive.”
That last line is not logical.
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“These far reaching measures range from a proposed Joint House Resolution that would put the right to discriminate on the ballot; an extremely dangerous pro-“conversion therapy” bill; numerous pieces of legislation attempting to undermine marriage equality; proposals aimed at authorizing individuals, businesses, and taxpayer-funded agencies to cite religion as a legal reason to refuse goods or services to LGBT people; bills seeking to restrict transgender people from using facilities consistent with their gender identity; and even a bill explicitly allowing student groups to exclude some students – including those who are LGBT – without losing university recognition or funds for doing so. One outrageous bill – Senate Bill 733 – even goes so far as to invade the privacy of all Oklahomans seeking marriage licenses by requiring them to be tested for communicable and infectious diseases – and unconscionably denying them a license if the test proves positive.”
That last line is not logical.
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NM505StKate
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Homo sapiens is a word, It describes the family we belong in as humans are animals. Human is just another term for homo sapiens. By trying to load a word like marriage with some other kind of meaning then two people having some ritual that…heck it is a civil union. Hand fasting is about the same.
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Regina7
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The world would certainly be a better place.So should everyone, including non-Catholics, consider the Catholic Church to be the arbiter of “proper education”?
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edwest2
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I agree. When books like King and King suddenly appear in schools to promote gay marriage as normative, then that would be called part of an organized propaganda effort to change beliefs and perceptions.
The Catholic Church has the fullness of the truth. For the benefit of all.
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Rau
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Mankind is only partially described by the term “animal”. That term is entirely inadequate to describe us, for it entirely omits consideration of what distinguishes us from all other animals.
The legal processes of the state were once properly understood to be a means to recognize and support a particular relationship which derives from the nature of man. These processes have now sought to be elevated to become the thing they previously simply supported. Consequently, we may be misled into thinking marriage is whatever the State legislates.
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Rau
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On matters of faith and morals, that would be fine. On this specific question, an education in Catholic principles is not required to recognize marriage as flowing from the complementary nature of man + woman.So should everyone, including non-Catholics, consider the Catholic Church to be the arbiter of “proper education”?
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