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Robert_Sock said:
I can worship God from anywhere, even my bath tub.

Nobody is going to take away all of our religious liberties; yes, we will at times feel that we are being stepped on, but religious liberty is here to stay! We truly are a nation under God, and God will always protect all His innocent ones.
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Here is some news from Ireland.
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24287

Never thought about this possibility in public life.

"They express concern that if the amendment is approved, “it will become increasingly difficult to speak any longer in public about marriage as being between a man and a woman.”
 
grannymh said:
Here is some news from Ireland.
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24287

Never thought about this possibility in public life.

"They express concern that if the amendment is approved, “it will become increasingly difficult to speak any longer in public about marriage as being between a man and a woman.”
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I’ll bet that the news article worries never comes to pass; and if it is passed, we’ll endure it religiously and soon all will be OK.
 
grannymh said:
Here is some news from Ireland.
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24287

Never thought about this possibility in public life.

"They express concern that if the amendment is approved, “it will become increasingly difficult to speak any longer in public about marriage as being between a man and a woman.”
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"“Today’s sexual bolshevism is not merely the decadence of some nebulous “culture” at which we can all wring our hands and lament. It is the decided agenda of political ideologues who advance their cause by cowing, marginalizing, and silencing their critics, by accusing them of crimes anSd quasi-crimes so despicable that no one dares question the accusations or defend the accused, and by dividing and picking off their opponents one-by-one.”
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Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Maybe you won’t be allowed to worship God…

Read a little Mexican history, especially about the Cristo Rey Rebellion that started less than 90 years ago. Religious liberty DID NOT prevail…Catholics were hanged on telephone poles.
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This is not Mexico and it’s not 90 years ago.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.–Z. Cobalt
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Crusades, Cathars, burning people at the stake (often for “sodomy and witchcraft”), Galileo, Protestants and so on…

I don’t think it is the Gay rights lobby that need to learn from history.🤷
 
This is not Mexico and it’s not 90 years ago.

Wait…that sounds familiar…:confused:
 
At least in Massachusetts (and all states with similar laws) as long as clergy members remain celebrating civil marriages and functioning as state officials, yes they can be sanctiined. In MA a court decision in 2009 established that any official who refuses to perform same sex marriages can be sanctioned and because clergy in MA has the power to perform civil marriages this can be applied to them and they can be sanctioned. The only solution for churches would be to stop performing civil marriages and have a total separation between civil marriage and religious marriage.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I’ll bet that the news article worries never comes to pass; and if it is passed, we’ll endure it religiously and soon all will be OK.
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Hmm, I think in 1973 people thought Roe v Wade wouldn’t lead to abortion on demand, either. I have seen the quest for gay rights go from decriminalizing private sexual behavior to de facto same-sex marriage being foisted on the states via judicial fiat. I wish I had your optimism. 😦
 
Next month …

The crucial question is – Whether we are denying equal protection to homosexuals who desire the civil institution of marriage.

When we review the Preamble, it becomes clear that there is no basis for the same-sex claim to civil marriage because same sex-marriage is obviously not in the same category as heterosexual marriage. It is solely heterosexual marriage that can create the posterity (biological descendants) who will enjoy the blessings of liberty into the future.

We do need to consider the 10th Amendment and the 14th Amendment. However, the above post 19, “U.S. CONSTITUTION OFFERS EXCLUSIVE BASIS FOR TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE” is against the improper use of the Federal Constitution in order to promote same-sex marriage – which is now before SCOTUS asking them to impose it on the states. Thus, the citation from the Preamble is relevant to showing that SCOTUS should not sanction same sex marriage for the entire nation, imposing it unjustly on the states in the name of the 14th amendment equal protection clause. Same-sex marriage is not a part of the legislative intent.

Please note that post 19 forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=12809883&postcount=19
is offering an additional essential view of the “legislative intent” in regard to the future of America. That is why careful reading, especially of the firsr seven paragraphs, is necessary.

The first paragraph names the issue which is “our posterity.” Which happens to be us! If we are interested in America’s posterity, the biological descendants, then we need to recognize that proper biological intercourse is necessary to have posterity.
Quote from fifth and sixth paragraphs, “U.S. Constitution Offers Exclusive Basis For Traditional Marriage” in post 19.

"That is to say, while anyone can contribute to the blessings of liberty which may be bestowed upon posterity, traditional marriage between a man and a woman is the only civil institution naturally able to create the very object which is to receive those blessings, namely, posterity itself – the biological descendants of the present citizenry.

“Anyone can make contributions to posterity, but the sexual union of male and female alone actually makes posterity itself. Marriage is the civil institution that regulates that union in civil society.”

Conclusion.

The Preamble is not endorsing same-sex marriage. Same-sex marriage was not proposed as a civil institution bringing future posterity into being. There are not grounds for a new, totally unique, civil instituion of a same-sex marriage. Obviously, a same-sex union can come under “freedom of sexual choice.” It cannot be considered as established as a legislative intent under the Constitution. And in this it is clearly distinguished from heterosexual marriage.
 
At the end of post 19, this comment should be considered in relationship to what SCOTUS will face next month.

"Having said all the above, I am sufficiently realistic that it will take a moral and legal miracle for SCOTUS to make the proper decision as outlined above. Moreover, I have been told by someone well-placed to know whereof he speaks that we will lose the fight even to protect businesses from being forced to offer conscience-offending services to those demanding them.

“Time for much prayer and fasting.”
 
One thing is for certain, Christ will be persecuted.
And if we are living a Christian life we will be persecuted as well. There’s no avoiding it. .

The evil that underlies the redefinition of marriage will not stop at the redefinition of marriage. When has evil ever been satisfied and pushed itself away from the table?
It’s the nature of evil to eat and eat until it collapses of it’s own weight. This agenda is part of the abdication of reason in the name of deceptive sentiment and a radicalized vision of individual rights. Sadly there will be tragic consequences for our society, because this is an attempt to redefine an essential part of what it means to be human, and that is never a wise idea.
 
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