Sarum and Ambrosian Rites

[Crusading_Canuk]

Hi, recently I was reading into the different Rites of Mass in Western and Northern Europe, the main ones I found were the Sarum and Ambrosian Rites… besides the Latin Rite of course. How do these Rites of Mass differentiate from our Tridentine Mass and do you know where I could find a missal for them?

 

[ProVobis]

Sarum

justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/Ordinary.htm

Someone mailed me the Ambrosian Rite texts (the ones they were using around the year 1999) and I only have printed copies.

There is some information on it here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosian_Rite

 

[Pork_Roll]

Hi, recently I was reading into the different Rites of Mass in Western and Northern Europe, the main ones I found were the Sarum and Ambrosian Rites… besides the Latin Rite of course. How do these Rites of Mass differentiate from our Tridentine Mass and do you know where I could find a missal for them?

The western church has more than one rite. Broadly speaking, there were two rites in the western church: those that were gallican and the roman rite. The gallican group were composed of the celtic, mozarabic, ambrosian and galacian rite among others. Their origin is disputed, but they have much in common with eastern rites, namely they contained the trisagion. Another theory holds that they were an early roman rite that developed independently. Today, only the mozarabic and abrosian rites exist but the ambrosian rite has been extensively romanized. The sarum rite is the roman rite as celebrated in certain english cities pre-reformation.

 

[laszlo]

Until the XIX Ecumenical council (Trent) the Liturgy was not centrally coordinated. The basic principle: Lex credendi => Lex orandi was was observed, the Liturgy followed the principles of Catholic faith, but the same doctrine can be expressed by different ways.

Practically every diocese or religious order could have her own Liturgy, and many of them actually had. This had a very easy reason: the Liturgy (adding new celebrations of forms) was constantly changing and before the invention of the printing of the books it was impossible to provide the whole Church with standardized copies.

The differences were not only in words, but also structural. The Roman Canon consist of separate prayers and with insignificant variation is the same throughout the year, the Eastern Canons (and the Mosarabic in the Western word) are continuous prayers and there are different canons for different occasions.

The Gallican Liturgy started in the turn of the second millennium, an mushroomed in the 15th and 16th Century. It was characterized by the abundance of hymns (sequences) and processes, from which the Entrance, Offering and Communion process was reinstated in the 1970 Mass. The printed books exaggerated the variations everyone pushed his own liturgy.

St Pius V ordered the Central command over the Liturgy, ordering the renewed for of the Roman Liturgy all over the world. Only a few religious order and the Toloose (Mosarabic) and Milan (Ambrosian ) dioceses get exception. (In England the Catolics were illegal in that time, the Sharum or any other remainder from the Celtic rite did not get legality). As a matter of fact both the Mosarabic and Ambrosian rites were abandoned during the following Century for the favor of the Roman rite and revived only with the liturgical reform of the 20th Century.

At this moment outside of the various Eastern Catholic rites only the Ambrosian and Mosarabic rites are accepted, and as far as I know each underwent some changes, the Eastern Catholic rites even toward the vernacular during the Liturgical reform of the 20th Century.

I made a compendium of the Western rites

divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/missa/Cmissa.pl

it is a dynamic page, select the rite and language at the top for comparison. ‘Source’ link at the bottom list the sources of the versions. It is not scientific (the textual critic need serious lifetime research) but gives some overview. It would be worthwhile to include the more diverse Eastern Catholic rites too.

 

[malphono]

Until the XIX Ecumenical council (Trent) the Liturgy was not centrally coordinated. The basic principle: Lex credendi => Lex orandi was was observed, the Liturgy followed the principles of Catholic faith, but the same doctrine can be expressed by different ways.

Practically every diocese or religious order could have her own Liturgy, and many of them actually had. This had a very easy reason: the Liturgy (adding new celebrations of forms) was constantly changing and before the invention of the printing of the books it was impossible to provide the whole Church with standardized copies. …

The Gallican Liturgy started in the turn of the second millennium, an mushroomed in the 15th and 16th Century. It was characterized by the abundance of hymns (sequences) and processes

This is partially true. However, from at least the 13th century, the Roman Rite began expanding and eventually supplanted many of the “regional Rites” such that, by the time of Trent, the Gallican Rite itself, e.g., had fallen into disuse.

from which the Entrance, Offering and Communion process was reinstated in the 1970 Mass.

It’s true that the Gallican Rite was characterized by its abundance of hymns & sequences, etc, but it was also noted for being very demonstrative. How does it follow, then, that anything of the Novus Ordo, which is rather stark, is a “reinstatement” of it?

The printed books exaggerated the variations everyone pushed his own liturgy.

St Pius V ordered the Central command over the Liturgy, ordering the renewed for of the Roman Liturgy all over the world. Only a few religious order and the Toloose (Mosarabic) and Milan (Ambrosian ) dioceses get exception.

In addition to those (and BTW, the Mozarabic survived in Toledo), there are the Bragan and the Lyonais.

(In England the Catolics were illegal in that time, the Sharum or any other remainder from the Celtic rite did not get legality).

Sarum had, in effect, been supplanted by the Roman. The rise of Protestantism in England was the final killer, despite Queen Mary’s efforts to revive it.

As a matter of fact both the Mosarabic and Ambrosian rites were abandoned during the following Century for the favor of the Roman rite and revived only with the liturgical reform of the 20th Century.

At this moment outside of the various Eastern Catholic rites only the Ambrosian and Mosarabic rites are accepted

This is incorrect. All of Rites that survived Trent (both regional and those proper to religious Orders) technically still do survive.

as far as I know each underwent some changes

The Mozarabic underwent a restoration (more of a de-Romanization in that certain elements of the Roman that had been incorporated in the Mozarabic were removed) that was completed sometime in the 1990s. The Ambrosian (which, due to the intervention of Paul VI, survived a post-conciliar attempt to destroy it ) was itself “revised” to incorporate some Novus Ordo elements. However, the traditional Ambrosian Rite does indeed survive as the equivalent to the EF.

 

[ProVobis]

Sarum had, in effect, been supplanted by the Roman. The rise of Protestantism in England was the final killer, despite Queen Mary’s efforts to revive it.

But the Sarum Rite hasn’t been completely suppressed either. At least not according to youtube. Hopefully when this Anglican reconciliation has been more fully realized, this rite might be made more available, especially since there is a Latin version and both the English and non-English Catholic crowd would be most welcome to attend.

 

[malphono]

But the Sarum Rite hasn’t been completely suppressed either. At least not according to youtube. Hopefully when this Anglican reconciliation has been more fully realized, this rite might be made more available, especially since there is a Latin version and both the English and non-English Catholic crowd would be most welcome to attend.

Yes, it was and is suppressed. In relatively recent years, it has been celebrated on a few occasions, but by specific special indult. And then, of course, it is used by some of the so-called “Western Orthodox” who make a big deal about having revived it. I suppose it’s also possible that some elements in the CofE may use it too, but I really don’t know anything about that.

 

[Zacdecat]

I was excited to witness the Dominican rite Mass recently, a first for me. We had the great good fortune to have a Dominican priest visit recently primarily to preach the retreat for the Dominican nuns that are convented here.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

Most Rev. Mario Joseph Conti, Archbishop of Glasgow (in Scotland) celebrated a Sarum Rite Mass in 2000 when he was the Bishop of Aberdeen (in Scotland) to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the founding of the University of Aberdeen’s King’s College Chapel. I don’t know whether an indult was required.

Interestingly, Aberdeen never used the Sarum Rite but had its own. So why they used the Sarum Rite I don’t know.