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Pitcharan
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What a silly question. When did I ever claim to be someone? I merely responded to your query in post #34.
Are you a catholic? Are you not aware of the job of a parish priest?
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JimR-OCDS
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OK, lets start over.
Why is keeping my body healthy, not in line with helping my prayer life and service to God?
Why do you think this not in line with Catholic teaching that you’re telling me to speak with my priest about it?
BTW, I’ve already spoken with many priest about Yoga exercise as a means to help keep my body healthy, and they all confirmed that its good and some do yoga themselves.
I’m talking about Yoga exercise as its done in most of the USA and I understand that being from India, you’re going to have a different understanding of what Yoga is. I think you’d be surprised at how far USA Yoga is from what’s done in India.
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Pitcharan
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I have said nothing against use of yoga for physical fitness. I am only saying that keeping oneself physically fit is of no value in terms of maintaining the body as ‘temple of the HS’. It is only about this I suggested that you talk to your parish priest. This is proven by the lives of many saints who were physically very unfit. To the best of my understanding, a very sick person and a very healthy person are equally placed in terms of desirable state for prayer and contemplation. The differences come only from their state in terms of genuineness, response to sinful urges of the flesh and love for God’s ways.
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At_Trent
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Could you please hold off on posting further until Sears opens in the morning ? I need to get a pair of high boots.
Actually, I heard a good sermon recently … by a parish priest… about our bodies being a Tabernacle of sorts as we receive Holy Communion, just as Our Lady’s womb was one for our Lord. God gave us a precious gift, that is, life. I believe he looks with favor on one who takes care to not corrupt his/her body with drugs and unhealthy foods. Anything we do to nourish and protect our bodies is surely pleasing to God. The sickly Saints you speak of were so by the will of God.
Blessed Margaret of Costello is an example.
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John_Russell_Jr
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… my dear friend …
… i agree with you , but it always comes down to your motive , if the motivation and reason for poor health is say being a victim soul or doing extraordinary penance and this results in very poor health then it is a path very pleasing to god - more pleasing than the path of good health even , but all are called to different paths , if your neglect of health is due to or for other reasons chances are god is not impressed , also if you pamper your body too much it does not always please god , and you only need to make reparation for your own sins and this helps determine the amount of violence you must do to yourself — unless you want to save other souls too ??? …
… god bless you
…… john …
… p.s … i’m not talking about sicknesses , diseases and illneses so much here , that’s a different kettle of fish and easily understood i feel …
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JimR-OCDS
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Yes, keeping the temple of the holy spirit, i.e.our souls, pure is needed.
But we are made up of body and soul and keeping both healthy is our obligation.
When St. Paul used the term, “temples of the Holy Spirit,” he was addressing sins of the flesh that people were engaged in. Yes, he was talking about purity, but none the less, our bodies house our souls and keeping the house healthy is a good thing.
Yes, the Saints were often physical wrecks by the time they came to their deaths.
For most it wasn’t a choice to end up in bad health but a result of the service they gave to God.
However, we do know today, that some of their bad physical condition was the result of poor diets because of disordered fasting and also poor food in the convents they lived in.
We don’t go out and purposely fast ourselves to bad health.
That all being said, we should not get overly consumed with health. As St Teresa of Avila said, “worrying about our health won’t make us more healthy, but in fact may cause more harm.”
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Rachel_1
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Hi,Could you please hold off on posting further until Sears opens in the morning ? I need to get a pair of high boots.
Actually, I heard a good sermon recently … by a parish priest… about our bodies being a Tabernacle of sorts as we receive Holy Communion, just as Our Lady’s womb was one for our Lord. God gave us a precious gift, that is, life. I believe he looks with favor on one who takes care to not corrupt his/her body with drugs and unhealthy foods. Anything we do to nourish and protect our bodies is surely pleasing to God. The sickly Saints you speak of were so by the will of God.
Blessed Margaret of Costello is an example.
One thing that I do is when I work out (and feel like I’m about to die from working out too hard) I offer that as a sacrifice (and believe me, it is the way I work out!). I believe we should take care of our bodies as much as we are able to.
Myself, I won’t do yoga (USA type or otherwise) because of the origins but that’s me and my conviction… but I think if one is only doing the stretches and nothing more it’s probably fairly harmless. Myself, I prefer Turbo Kick haha (kick boxing to music), I also lift weights. Since I started taking care of myself better a year ago I’ve lost 60lbs, corrected a heart problem, regulated my diabetes and blood sugar enough to get off all my heart and diabetic meds, and I feel great… which in turn has allowed me to kneel for prayer when I couldn’t before.
Being fit or unfit you can still offer yourself according to your state, but being fit, if you can be, will help you to offer more which is what I’ve found personally.
On a side note At Trent, do you know when Fr Charles will be back? I won’t be at EF tomorrow, I’ll be at the 11am Mass instead as I have a meeting to attend at 1pm for formation (yay!!).
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StrawberryJam
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I can not the way in which it is being presented in this case.… my dear friend …
… why should he or anyone have to cite anyoe else , what was said seems rather brilliant to me , as to proving anything - nothing can be proved by a human being except the human being exists ,and not who or what it is at all , and it can only prove this to itself — everything else including all we believe is based on faith , what he said is true in my opinion and very well said - but only god can prove anything apart from that one thing because absolute proof can only come with the proof of everything and anything in perfect consistency and the theory to such proof is infinite and each most infinitesiamal part of that theory is infinite and on and on it goes ad infinitum , only god can produce perfect theory to prove anything and everything and only the mind of god can come up with , understand and prove that theory to itself , human beings need faith for everything - not being god , faith is believing something we cannot prove , i have spoken more on this elsewhere here , you need faith friend … but more to the point you need to understand you have faith , but sick faith with a fallen mind , but use what you have anyway and do your best , the normal modus operandi for all human thinking and believing is faith - just try to understand and accept this dear friend …
… god bless
… john …
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StrawberryJam
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Supportive devices of religion?
Listen, there are way too many things you have said to even try to discuss here.
Could it be you do not fully understand what your imagined opponent is really saying?
Please, tell me what any non theist is saying that leads you to these statements you are making.
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woodland_poet
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We see that fallen light from the heavens known as satan in the current culture of death and we know that death is a lie and one that he tells with great liberty. We know that he who tells the lie is a liar and that he is the father of lies and murderer from the beginning.
We are now told that man is not created in the image of a loving God, but that he is a happenstance by way of amino acids and proteins that meet and form in some primordial ooze. We are told that man is not lit from within by the powers of faith and reason, but by evolutionary events, guided by the present but rather arbitrary “laws” of science, which without faith in an author, are little more than conditions.
We are told that the ancient primate has become something more like common man in us and that now, given the power to choose good and evil, no longer need these supportive devices of religion. God need be kicked off the stage of human history and development so that man can assume the former reponsibilities of the supreme and reigning deity.
Now we kill the unborn child in the womb, no longer knitted in the womb and known from the beginning of time, but a clump of cells to be taken or disposed of at whim. Man once guided in his development by this Darwinisn is now the guide and propriator who will choose who and more appropriately what will live and which human persons (no longer the apple of God’s eye but merely finite organisms) will live and which will die or be killed and disposed of.
Who makes these claims that we don’t exist, that we are merely physical creatures, arrived at through random science, born without reason, to die without life and to decay into nothingness from meaninglessness? Satan himself, through dimmed minds that know reason without the guiding light of faith in the God who is Supreme above all created things because He is the Creator of them. A madman is not someone who has lost his reason. A madman is someone who has lost everything but his reason.
For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. -1 Corinthians 19-26
I stand by what I have said.
We are now told that man is not created in the image of a loving God, but that he is a happenstance by way of amino acids and proteins that meet and form in some primordial ooze. We are told that man is not lit from within by the powers of faith and reason, but by evolutionary events, guided by the present but rather arbitrary “laws” of science, which without faith in an author, are little more than conditions.
We are told that the ancient primate has become something more like common man in us and that now, given the power to choose good and evil, no longer need these supportive devices of religion. God need be kicked off the stage of human history and development so that man can assume the former reponsibilities of the supreme and reigning deity.
Now we kill the unborn child in the womb, no longer knitted in the womb and known from the beginning of time, but a clump of cells to be taken or disposed of at whim. Man once guided in his development by this Darwinisn is now the guide and propriator who will choose who and more appropriately what will live and which human persons (no longer the apple of God’s eye but merely finite organisms) will live and which will die or be killed and disposed of.
Who makes these claims that we don’t exist, that we are merely physical creatures, arrived at through random science, born without reason, to die without life and to decay into nothingness from meaninglessness? Satan himself, through dimmed minds that know reason without the guiding light of faith in the God who is Supreme above all created things because He is the Creator of them. A madman is not someone who has lost his reason. A madman is someone who has lost everything but his reason.
For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. -1 Corinthians 19-26
I stand by what I have said.
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Pitcharan
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Beautifully put. However, I don’t agree with the last (bold) line. Many saints have (pro)claimed that being physically unfit helped them contemplate better and come close to God.
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John_Russell_Jr
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… my dear friend …
… whose presentation are you talking about ??? is presentation important anyway ? no… its the message and meaning trying to be conveyed that is all that counts , as human beings it’s impossible to provide the beyond infinite theory to prove anything so how good does the presentation have to be ??? one should only have to deliver the message sufficiently and it is understood , but fallen minds cannot understand anything hardly , so we have so much info and continual babbling and arguing and hardly anyone ever solves anything – fallen minds dear friend , that is the problem , the understanding is almost all gone and the little left is very corrupted and sick , otherwise communication would be simple , quick , effective and true and all would be of one heart and mind with no need to argue - just truly advance and develop — building on truth , rather than the utter mess of confusion and insanity we now have , all this knowledge we have now - but we lost so much in the fall - the understanding is not gone , but maybe only 5 to 10% left and it is not much use i’m afraid , no wonder the world is in such a mess …
… god bless you
…… john …
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Joyful_1
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Umm… as to number 1 - it just looks like a mish-mash of old Presocratic philosophies. Only the Presocratics doubted the existence of time.** Dear The Reginator**
me here. We are living in time. Could you please expand on this thought?]
… there is no time in our world here or any world , we just think there is , we only have a concept of time because we can measure it , god was able to become a man , move , change continually in our world because we are in - now - and in -now- all is present at once so there is never really any change at all , it just seems so …
amd when all is present at once despite the fact it seems to unfold slowly you are all you will ever be right now , if this is so the word has been flesh from all eternity and can change again as much as god likes and there is never really any change - because all is present at once … i can explain more later if needed …
[Are you saying here that you believe that Satan and the other fallen angels will get a second chance?? That’s how it sounds.]
yes , beyong heaven and hell after the resurrection the damned will have to undergo infinite suffering to varying degrees if they have not taken advantage of christs salvific work then they will be given an opportunity after being restored to sanity of returning to the garden of eden for a stint with the blessed or not - they will not be capable of saying no , there is a lot of theory hat goes behind this let me know if you want to hear it , avoid hell at all costs though as infinite suffering to varying degrees is not pleasant , god has been made into and turned into hell — he does not want this , if you want an explanation i will later …
… god bless you
… john …
As to the second - the reason Satan does not get a second chance is that he is outside of time and there for the decisions he makes are permanent. He cannot take them back. That is the bane of being pure spirit. That is also why we are blessed to be inside of time and able to change our minds and fix bad choices by repentance and reform.
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John_Russell_Jr
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… my dear friend …
… i don’t like to be labled , i am just me , not what you lable me …
… as for demons being outside time its a good argument , but change can and does occur outside time in " now " and that is why god can change as much as he likes without ever really changing , because in " now " all is present at once , so there is change but in reality no change because there’s no time , we think there is time because we can measure it , in heaven , hell and limbo - eternal realms with no time we cannot measure time beause we are incapable of it in these phases of reality , but in purgatory we can by the gradual lessening of suffering - but a day may seem like 20 yrs …
… the absence of the ability to measure time does not negate the possibility of change at all , but a new argument and thank you for telling me — interesting …
… god bless you
…… john …
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Rachel_1
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Read it in context. I was talking about myself and what I’ve found. If you look at the line before the bolded part you’ll see that because I’ve gotten healthier I can now kneel while praying (for extended periods of time) which is why I said that I can now offer more.
That being said, I obviously don’t know more than the Saints and people should listen to what the Saints say more than me. I was just giving a personal experience.
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Pitcharan
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No disputing you Rachel; unintentionally and by reading off context I have sounded like snubbing you. I am sorryRead it in context. I was talking about myself and what I’ve found. If you look at the line before the bolded part you’ll see that because I’ve gotten healthier I can now kneel while praying (for extended periods of time) which is why I said that I can now offer more.
That being said, I obviously don’t know more than the Saints and people should listen to what the Saints say more than me. I was just giving a personal experience.
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Rachel_1
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Everything is fine
No need for a sorry I just wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was saying that I know more than the Saints because I certainly don’t. I was just clarifying that what I said was my personal experience.
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Pitcharan
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Everything is fine
I just wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was saying that I know more than the Saints because I certainly don’t. I was just clarifying that what I said was my personal experience.
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