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I would like to know where in God’s holy word it says that mary was concieved via the Holy Spirit.
The Church never taught that the Blessed Mother was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

The key to understanding all these graces is Mary’s role as the New Eve, which the Fathers proclaimed so forcefully. Because she is the New Eve, she, like the New Adam, was born immaculate, just as the First Adam and Eve were created immaculate. Because she is the New Eve, she is mother of the New Humanity (Christians), just as the first Eve was the mother of humanity. And, because she is the New Eve, she shares the fate of the New Adam. Whereas the First Adam and Eve died and went to dust, the New Adam and Eve were lifted up physically into heaven.

Even before the terms “original sin” and “immaculate conception” had been defined, early passages imply the doctrines. Many works mention that Mary gave birth to Jesus without pain. But pain in childbearing is part of the penalty of original sin (Gen. 3:16). Thus, Mary could not have been under that penalty. By God’s grace, she was immaculate in anticipation of her Son’s redemptive death on the cross. The Church therefore describes Mary as “the most excellent fruit of redemption” (CCC 508).

Early Church Fathers:

Ephraim the Syrian -----------------
“You alone and your Mother are more beautiful than any others, for there is no blemish in you nor any stains upon your Mother. Who of my children can compare in beauty to these?” (Nisibene Hymns 27:8 [A.D. 361]).

Ambrose of Milan-----------------
“Come, then, and search out your sheep, not through your servants or hired men, but do it yourself. Lift me up bodily and in the flesh, which is fallen in Adam. Lift me up not from Sarah but from Mary, a virgin not only undefiled, but a virgin whom grace had made inviolate, free of every stain of sin” (Commentary on Psalm 118:22–30 [A.D. 387]).

Timothy of Jerusalem----------------
“Therefore the Virgin is immortal to this day, seeing that he who had dwelt in her transported her to the regions of her assumption” (Homily on Simeon and Anna [A.D. 400]).

Source: catholic.com/library/Mary_Full_of_Grace.asp
 
I would like to know where in God’s holy word it says that mary was concieved via the Holy Spirit. This would make the book of Acts a lie because why would she also need the Holy Spirit along with the Apostles. Sin comes via the blood line we get our blood from our fathers. This is why Jesus had no earthly father. Mary was from the line of David who slept with another man’s wife. Solomon who worshiped idols going on down to Mary. She needed a Savior just like everyone else. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to her. It tells us to usethe living Savior’s name. Mary was human and she cannot answer any prayers or help u pray. We do respect her as Jesus mother but Jesus is our connection to Hod all by himself. If u can find scripture referencing for what u believe please post. But its not in the Bible. I am going verse by verse to Jesus for myself.
Hi,
Try this site, it will help you understand where Mary is in Catholic thought.

www.davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_in_the_bible.htm
 
CountrySteve,

What you are experiencing is the Holy Spirit revealing to you what is in the book of Acts 2. Mary was included in the 120 saints in the upper room where Jesus told them to wait for the Holy Spirit. This means that she needed the Holy Spirit and forgiveness of sins just like we all did/do. This is the Day of Pentecost which happened 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus. To worship Mary or any other thing but Jesus is to perform Idol worship. For God says:

“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6
actually what it is, is satan trying to get me to turn away from God’s Church and the Church teaches to not worship mary for that would be a sin, but we do ask for her prayers cause were all part of the one Body of Christ
 
I would like to know where in God’s holy word it says that mary was concieved via the Holy Spirit. This would make the book of Acts a lie because why would she also need the Holy Spirit along with the Apostles. Sin comes via the blood line we get our blood from our fathers. This is why Jesus had no earthly father. Mary was from the line of David who slept with another man’s wife. Solomon who worshiped idols going on down to Mary. She needed a Savior just like everyone else. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to her. It tells us to usethe living Savior’s name. Mary was human and she cannot answer any prayers or help u pray. We do respect her as Jesus mother but Jesus is our connection to Hod all by himself. If u can find scripture referencing for what u believe please post. But its not in the Bible. I am going verse by verse to Jesus for myself.
As others have already explained, Mary was not conceived by the Holy Ghost, but she was His Spouse. She bore the Father’s Son after being overshadowed by the power of the Holy Ghost. If Mary was not Immaculately Conceived (of her earthly parents), and given special graces by the power of God, for that purpose, then she would have been subject to the sins inherited through her family ‘bloodline’. (Original Sin comes from** both** parents, not just from the father. Both Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, not just Adam.) Since Jesus was nourished in the womb by Mary’s flesh and blood, He would not have escaped that fate any more than she would have.

So, if you’re saying that Mary must have had Original Sin on her soul, then so would Jesus. But, that would be totally impossible and would completely change the nature of Jesus. He would not have been perfect if she was not perfect. God prevented that from happening by creating her, completely pure and unblemished by sin. She is the New Eve, the very first perfect woman born since Adam & Eve, that never disobeyed God during her entire life on earth, and Jesus was the first perfect Man, while also being God Incarnate. It’s certainly a great mystery, but it’s the absolute truth.
 
I could not find any of these references in the Bible. Psalms 118 had only 29 versus not 30
According to the Bible
“All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:23
“There is none righteous, no not one…” Rom 3:10
In Mark she even miss understands Jesus Mark 4 (i think)

1Tim 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men the man Jesus Christ.”

John 14:13-14 pray in the name of Jesus
Matthew 6:7 “But when ye pray, use not vain repitions, as the heathens do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

We all have sin nature passed on via thd blood line of the first Adam. Mary came from the tribe of Judah. Jesus is called Thou Son of David. God himself made this covenant with Abrahan and David. In order for God not to be made a liar Mary had to be in the bloodlune meaning she had the same sin nature we all do. This is also confirmed in Acts 2 where she recieves the Holy Spirit along with all the other Apostles on the day of Pentecost.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. 6 is the number of man 11 the number of revelation the 66 books of the Bible are God’s revelation of himself to us.
To add or take away anything brings a curse Rev 22:19

Find Jesus for yourself read the Bible verse by verse make sure u know who u worship and what u believe.

Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden light.
 
taneisha,

you wrote: <<Find Jesus for yourself read the Bible verse by verse make sure u know who u worship and what u believe. Trust God’s word before man’s lies.>>

Remember that you are in a Catholic forum and it is not your place to tell us that we believe man’s lies.

Practicing Catholics know who they worship and what they believe.

In the Magnificat Mary has said “He who is mighty has done great things for me” - and her special privilege is a very special thing that the Lord has done for her.

It is one thing to disagree, it is another to call someone’s belief “lies”.
 
I could not find any of these references in the Bible. Psalms 118 had only 29 versus not 30
According to the Bible
“All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:23
“There is none righteous, no not one…” Rom 3:10
In Mark she even miss understands Jesus Mark 4 (i think)

1Tim 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men the man Jesus Christ.”

John 14:13-14 pray in the name of Jesus
Matthew 6:7 “But when ye pray, use not vain repitions, as the heathens do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

We all have sin nature passed on via thd blood line of the first Adam. Mary came from the tribe of Judah. Jesus is called Thou Son of David. God himself made this covenant with Abrahan and David. In order for God not to be made a liar Mary had to be in the bloodlune meaning she had the same sin nature we all do. This is also confirmed in Acts 2 where she recieves the Holy Spirit along with all the other Apostles on the day of Pentecost.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. 6 is the number of man 11 the number of revelation the 66 books of the Bible are God’s revelation of himself to us.
To add or take away anything brings a curse Rev 22:19

Find Jesus for yourself read the Bible verse by verse make sure u know who u worship and what u believe.

Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden light.
Part 1 of 2

For All Have Sinned
A Refutation of the Attack on the Immaculate Conception of Mary from Romans 3:23
(Based on a talk by Karlo Broussard on Catholic Answers Live on 2/11/08)

Many people reject the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception and argue that Mary was not born sinless and that she did not remain sinless all of her life. In support of their position, they often quote a passage from Paul’s Letter to the Romans which declares, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)

However, does this passage really prove that Mary could not have been without sin? And is this really what Paul intended to teach in this passage? Let’s take a closer look.

The primary question to be asked concerning Romans 3:23 is this: When the Bible uses the word “all”, does it necessarily exclude exceptions? The answer is “no” as several scripture passages suggest.

For example, Matthew 3:5 tells us, “People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan.” Does this mean that there were no places from which people did not go out to see Jesus? This is not likely. The author attempted to convey an idea that a large number of people went out to see Jesus by using hyperbole.

Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:22 says, “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.” Does this mean that every single person ever born will die? Well, the Bible tells us that Enoch and Elijah were taken up into heaven without dying, so we know that obviously not all die because these two exceptions exist. From this, we know that the Bible does not necessarily exclude exceptions when it uses the word, “all”.

Returning to Romans 3:23, we should ask further whether Paul intended to exclude exceptions when he used the word, “all”, or is he using it in a non-absolute way? To understand the context of Paul’s thought, we should look at Romans 3:10-12 wherein he quotes Psalm 14:2-3: “As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Does Paul really believe that there no righteous people? Of course not! The Bible tells us that Joseph was a just man (Mt 1:19), John the Baptist’s parents, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were declared righteous (Luke 1:19), and Psalm 14 goes on to speak of “the company of the righteous” in verse 5 while Psalm 15 references those who walk blamelessly and do what is right. So, if Paul is using the word “all” to mean “absolutely no exceptions”, then he is using the word very differently from the verses he quoted from Psalm 14 and from other passages of scripture.

Finally, it is also reasonable for us to assume that Paul would agree that infants and those who are mentally deficient cannot sin personally—two additional exceptions to the concept of “all” having sinned.

Therefore, when Paul uses the word, “all”, it is obvious that he is not attempting to declare that every single individual who ever lives will be guilty of committing personal sin; rather, he is attempting to communicate with clarity the universality of sin and the idea that both Jews and Gentiles alike are sinners before God. He is not attempting to exclude the possibility of exceptions.

Thus, the word “all” in Romans 3:23 cannot be used to disprove the doctrine of sinlessness of Mary.

Furthermore:
"as it is written: “There is no one just, not one, there is no one who understands, there is no one who seeks God.” - Romans 3:10
So, is there no one who ever seeks God? Do you seek God? So, can we assume that “all” literally means “all”?

Also:

The the word “all” in Rom 3:23 in Greek is pantes. It is the same word used in 1 Cor 15:22 where Paul says “all” have died. But we know that Enoch and Elijah did not die; they were assumed into heaven. This means that when Paul says “all” (pantes), he does not mean every single one. In fact, Paul says in Rom 5:19 that “many” were made sinners. This means that when Paul says “all” in regard to sinners, he really means “many.”

Source: scripturecatholic.com/mary_qa.html#allhavesinned
 
Part 2 of 2

About your “one mediator” argument: If you put that verse in context, you would see that Paul urges supplications and prayers for everyone, for we are all one body in Christ.

Now we must still deal with several common Protestant objections, the first of which is the “one mediator” argument: “Since Christ is the one mediator between God and man, ask-ing the saints to intercede for us constitutes a gross infringement on his unique role. This is impermissible. We should just pray to God directly, period.”

Actually, Catholics do both–and so do Protestants. Catholics and Protestants both pray directly to God and also ask their fellow Christians to pray for them. The difference is that Catholics don’t restrict the term “Christians” to mean “only Christians on earth.”

It must be made clear that the Catholic Church in no way teaches that the saints are mediators in the special sense used in 1 Timothy 2:5. Because of the Incarnation, Jesus has a unique role as mediator. Since he is the only one who is God and man, the only contact point between us and the Father, only he is capable of bridging the chasm of sin that separates us from God. No saint can take Christ’s place as mediator. The Catholic Church does not teach that any Christian is a mediator in the sense used in 1 Timothy 2:5. It teaches instead that all Christians are intercessors who, because of Christ’s mediatorship, are able to pray for each other.(The official Catholic position on this issue appears in Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent (Rockford: TAN, 1978), Session V (“Decree on Original Sin”), 25-28, Session XXV (“Decree on the Invocation of Saints”), 214-217.)

If asking Christians in heaven to pray for us conflicts with Christ’s mediatorship, asking Christians on earth to pray for us conflicts for the same reason. If 1 Timothy 2:5 eliminates intercession by the Christians in heaven, it eliminates intercession by Christians on earth.

But this would be a serious misreading. Far from excluding Christians from a share in Christ’s mediatorship, Paul is actually emphasizing that we share in it through intercessory prayers. Our intercessions are effectual precisely and only because Christ is the one mediator.

Source: catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9209fea1.asp
 
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It’s amazing to what the Holy Spirit can lead me.

However, most of this is just the same old tired argument that when you read it in context, the answers are RIGHT THERE.

Anyways, I’m glad that you found it helpful.
 
I could not find any of these references in the Bible. Psalms 118 had only 29 versus not 30
According to the Bible
“All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:23
“There is none righteous, no not one…” Rom 3:10
In Mark she even miss understands Jesus Mark 4 (i think)

1Tim 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men the man Jesus Christ.”

John 14:13-14 pray in the name of Jesus
Matthew 6:7 “But when ye pray, use not vain repitions, as the heathens do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

We all have sin nature passed on via thd blood line of the first Adam. Mary came from the tribe of Judah. Jesus is called Thou Son of David. God himself made this covenant with Abrahan and David. In order for God not to be made a liar Mary had to be in the bloodlune meaning she had the same sin nature we all do. This is also confirmed in Acts 2 where she recieves the Holy Spirit along with all the other Apostles on the day of Pentecost.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. 6 is the number of man 11 the number of revelation the 66 books of the Bible are God’s revelation of himself to us.
To add or take away anything brings a curse Rev 22:19

Find Jesus for yourself read the Bible verse by verse make sure u know who u worship and what u believe.

Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden light.
Hi, taneisha,

Since the subject of why Catholics pray to Saints has already been beautifully explained by CatholicZ09 (kudos for that), I’m going to try to show you why we also firmly believe in Mary being conceived without sin. Your argument that she is as human as the rest of us is quite true. But, first of all, it has been shown that not only does Mary come from the bloodline of Judah, but she is also a member of the bloodline of David, so Jesus can make both of those claims of heritage through her.

While Jesus is the true Son of God, because God is His Father through the action of the Holy Spirit, He is also the Son of man. He gets His human nature directly from Mary’s womb. If she was not conceived without sin, then her human bloodline would cause the human nature of Jesus to also have that stain of Original Sin that all mankind shares. But, Jesus was born without it. He has no stain of sin on His human Soul. There had to be a special circumstance, a special gift of grace that God gave to Mary when He created her and chose her to be the pure vessel to carry Jesus in her womb. That’s why we have to believe that Mary was given that very special grace by God.

Luke 1:"[26] And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, [27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. [28] And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." The angel is calling her “full of grace” and states that " the Lord is with thee", even before she accepts what he asks of her. If she had Original Sin on her soul, she could not be “full of grace” at that point.

That’s why she is known as the New Eve, because she was conceived without sin and remained that way all through her life. I hope this helps to explain it a little bit better for you. 😉
 
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