satan worshippers!

[snotra]

It is known that satan worshipers steal a Eucharist from a Roman Catholic mass and defile it in a mock perverted black mass. They do not mock, Mormons, Watchtowers, Baptist, born agains, prosperity preachers, calvins, or any of the other 33.000 protestant faiths to date…and counting! If we Catholics are satans tool (as certain sister faiths of the 16th century rebellious deformation movement may accuse us of being), I offer these words…“how can satan stand against satan?” I’m sorry if I am so bold, but I will have to answer to the lord for these thoughts of ricious indignation. I ask, which one of the 33.000 protestant faiths is the correct one? they all cant be right? that would be a violation of logic…ie, Aristotle’s law of non contradiction, as an example. Certain protestant faiths insist that,Christ was the big rock and Peter was the little rock. How can this be? Did Christ speak in Greek when he said,"what you loose on earth will be loose in heaven, and "gates of hell shall not prevail against it’ etc…? Most historians and rational thinkers would agree, Christ spoke in his native tongue, Aramaic, as would anyone who was going to bestow a vital roll upon an individual of such cultural kinship. I am no professional and have no authority when it comes to the field of religious apologetics , but from what little research I have gathered, there is no, gender, and or diminutive quality for the word “Rock” in the Aramaic language. It is what it is…Cepha!! How do protestants explain this little conundrum to name a few in the world of religious debate? This is my first post here on Catholic Answers, I thank you for your audience, and I pray for God’s mercy upon all his children, Protestant, Catholic, and all those who seek to find enlightenment. Peace be with you.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

It is known that satan worshipers steal a Eucharist from a Roman Catholic mass and defile it in a mock perverted black mass. They do not mock, Mormons, Watchtowers, Baptist, born agains, prosperity preachers, calvins, or any of the other 33.000 protestant faiths to date…and counting! If we Catholics are satans tool (as certain sister faiths of the 16th century rebellious deformation movement may accuse us of being), I offer these words…“how can satan stand against satan?” I’m sorry if I am so bold, but I will have to answer to the lord for these thoughts of ricious indignation. I ask, which one of the 33.000 protestant faiths is the correct one? they all cant be right? that would be a violation of logic…ie, Aristotle’s law of non contradiction, as an example. Certain protestant faiths insist that,Christ was the big rock and Peter was the little rock. How can this be? Did Christ speak in Greek when he said,"what you loose on earth will be loose in heaven, and "gates of hell shall not prevail against it’ etc…? Most historians and rational thinkers would agree, Christ spoke in his native tongue, Aramaic, as would anyone who was going to bestow a vital roll upon an individual of such cultural kinship. I am no professional and have no authority when it comes to the field of religious apologetics , but from what little research I have gathered, there is no, gender, and or diminutive quality for the word “Rock” in the Aramaic language. It is what it is…Cepha!! How do protestants explain this little conundrum to name a few in the world of religious debate? This is my first post here on Catholic Answers, I thank you for your audience, and I pray for God’s mercy upon all his children, Protestant, Catholic, and all those who seek to find enlightenment. Peace be with you.

Satanists mock Christ and have been known to desecrate other churches beside Catholic. However other churches don’t have the body and blood of Christ in the form of the consecrated host, so they can’t steal it from other churches.

The fact that they make a point of desecrating the host should say something to Protestants about the reality of Christ’s body in the consecrated host. The Satanists, and their master, would not bother if they thought it was mere superstition. The enemy gives himself away in doing so.

I have a DVD of Bishop Sheen giving a retreat. One segment is called “The Devil”. In it he relates the experience of a priest he knew (who at some stage was imprisoned for his faith). The priest had his attention drawn to a young girl in a Vietnamese village by the other kids. They were a bit scared of her. When he lifted the veil from her face, it was the ugliest face he’d ever seen.

Anyway it finally dawned on him she might be possessed. He carried on a conversation with her in French, Latin and some other language not her own, yet she had never been trained in the language. When he took to her the blessed host in a frame, she became quite violent and abusive. Removing the host, he simply presented the frame and she laughed at him.

He was pretty sure then what he was dealing with. He proceeded with an exorcism, and she went back to being just a normal kid.

It appears the devil and demons fear the consecrated host.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I’m not sure what this thread is about? What is the point or question?

I would only say that the Eucharist wouldn’t be stolen from Catholic parishes if we stopped this foolish, impious, idiotic act of handing out Communion in the hand and go back to on the tongue ONLY! Hard to steal it once it’s digesting on the tongue.

Secondly, Satanism is a bit of a joke. How many Satanists do we really see, hear about, or know? Cohabitation, abortion, homosexuality, free sex, rape, pedophilia, racism, greed and violence are all more of a problem in our society that hurts the Body of Christ than are a few guys dressing up like Count Dracula and drawing pentagrams in the bedrooms of their mom’s basement at age 40…

 

[lizaanne]

Why would Satan feel the least bit threatened by something that lacks the fullness of Truth? The Catholic Church is his only real threat because it is THE only Church established by Christ through His Apostles. Through the Catholic Church we learn ALL of the Truth, and Satan hates that. So he attacks where the threat is greatest.

Makes perfect sense to me.

~Liza

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Is our thesis then that Protestants don’t get badgered and attacked by Satan like we Catholics do?

Why would Satan feel the least bit threatened by something that lacks the fullness of Truth? The Catholic Church is his only real threat because it is THE only Church established by Christ through His Apostles. Through the Catholic Church we learn ALL of the Truth, and Satan hates that. So he attacks where the threat is greatest.

Makes perfect sense to me.

~Liza

 

[Greenbrier]

Evidently, the point of the OP is that because Satanists are mostly people who like to play dress up and do spooky ritualistic things and that part of this involves mockery of the lavishness and mysteriousness of the Roman mass such that they are “known” to steal the host for their own rites, this somehow means that Catholicism is true.

I guess.

 

[Greenbrier]

It could be argued that the reason Catholics get badgered and attacked by Satan and his minions is because they are more susceptible to their efforts, they have weaker defenses.

That’s how I’d look at it anyway…that and the fact that weird people like mummery and this is something the RCC has plenty of.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The Catholic Church has plenty of mummery? And only weird people like mummery so Catholics are in turn weird? What evidence do you have that Catholics are more susceptible to Satan’s attacks and the Reformed Calvinists are so armed and dangerous spiritually to scare him away? We have a Reformed high school here in town that is well-known for the girls getting breast implants as sweet 16 presents, teen pregnancies, lots of sex and drinking, and plenty of mischief in general. Satan seems to be doing just fine there? I see no evidence of Reformed folks wearing the spiritual cuirasse, helmet, shield and taruga any better than any other Christian, including Catholics. All Christians are under attack by the devil.

It could be argued that the reason Catholics get badgered and attacked by Satan and his minions is because they are more susceptible to their efforts, they have weaker defenses.

That’s how I’d look at it anyway…that and the fact that weird people like mummery and this is something the RCC has plenty of.

 

[Greenbrier]

The Catholic Church has plenty of mummery? And only weird people like mummery so Catholics are in turn weird? What evidence do you have that Catholics are more susceptible to Satan’s attacks and the Reformed Calvinists are so armed and dangerous spiritually to scare him away? We have a Reformed high school here in town that is well-known for the girls getting breast implants as sweet 16 presents, teen pregnancies, lots of sex and drinking, and plenty of mischief in general. Satan seems to be doing just fine there? I see no evidence of Reformed folks wearing the spiritual cuirasse, helmet, shield and taruga any better than any other Christian, including Catholics. All Christians are under attack by the devil.

I wasn’t the one who introduced the idea that Catholics get attacked and badgered more. It was implied in the OP and more or less explicitly claimed by Lizaanne.

What I was saying is that IF that’s true (and I am not really sure it is), maybe its because Catholics have so little certainty of their salvation and their standing with God and His protection of them. And on the other hand, maybe its because of the lavishness of Roman ritual that these Satanists, who clearly like to dress up and act mysterious themselves; maybe this is why they mimic it and so on.

And for the record, I do think those with certainty of their standing before God are better equipped to withstand such attacks.

 

[lizaanne]

The Catholic Church has plenty of mummery? And only weird people like mummery so Catholics are in turn weird?

Don’t let folks like this bait you - they are only looking for a reaction.

~Liza

 

[Greenbrier]

well, come on now, all the fancy clothes, pointy hats, incense, hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo, the spiritually immature LOVE that stuff, it’s empty calories but kids love candy don’t they?

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

If is any comfort, and I am sure it isn’t, people steal hosts from Episcopal churches as well.

I know, I know, a black mass celebrated with a host stolen from an Episcopal church probably lacks validity, due to lack of valid orders.

True satanic worshipers should only attend black masses using properly consecrated stolen wafers.

Any satanic priest who wants to, even if he is married, should apply to celebrated a proper black mass using properly consecrated hosts, properly stolen from a Roman Catholic church.

And if the satanic priest is female, well they might as well realize that Mephistopheles was male, and there are no mediators of Satan who were female (except perhaps Hillary Clinton). So they might as well go back to being lay worshipers of Satan in a proper black mass with properly stolen properly consecrated wafers, and learn to shut up. I believe women’s role is confined to languidly laying across the altar in their birthday suits.

Is our thesis then that Protestants don’t get badgered and attacked by Satan like we Catholics do?

 

[Greenbrier]

I know, I know, a black mass celebrated with a host stolen from an Episcopal church probably lacks validity, due to lack of valid orders.

This might be the most astoundingly religiopathic thing I have ever read.

 

[TriuneUnity]

What evidence do you have that Catholics are more susceptible to Satan’s attacks and the Reformed Calvinists are so armed and dangerous spiritually to scare him away?

Have you ever listened to a Reformed sermon on supralapsarianism for forty minutes? I’m pretty sure it would scare just about anyone. Ok, maybe not scare away… bore away.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

An ignorant and backwards post like this doesn’t need a response, oops, I already made one…

well, come on now, all the fancy clothes, pointy hats, incense, hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo, the spiritually immature LOVE that stuff, it’s empty calories but kids love candy don’t they?

 

[adstrinity]

I’m not sure what this thread is about? What is the point or question?

I would only say that the Eucharist wouldn’t be stolen from Catholic parishes if we stopped this foolish, impious, idiotic act of handing out Communion in the hand and go back to on the tongue ONLY! Hard to steal it once it’s digesting on the tongue.

Secondly, Satanism is a bit of a joke. How many Satanists do we really see, hear about, or know? Cohabitation, abortion, homosexuality, free sex, rape, pedophilia, racism, greed and violence are all more of a problem in our society that hurts the Body of Christ than are a few guys dressing up like Count Dracula and drawing pentagrams in the bedrooms of their mom’s basement at age 40…

1. I think there is a difference with the Hosts used. The FSSP Mass I attend has wafers that disolve on the tongue, the OF Mass I attend doesn’t.
2. I am also pretty sure that others here and elsewehre have said they observed and admitted that they were able to take the Host out of their mouths and out of the church.
3. Therefore, I don’t think that COTH is the problem here (though, I am not at all advocating this practice), BUT, not locking up tabernacles and churches ARE issues for this sort of thing.
4. There’s different sects of Satanists…BUT, that being said, remember that one guy (I believe he was an athiest) from YouTube desicrating the Host (alledgedly?). I think later it turned out that it was in some way a hoax, BUT, just wanting to do that shows some sort of Satan in charge (whether he knew it or not).

Anyway, yes, I hate it when people think “Satanist” and they think over the top goth who is proactive in harming others.

1. Please do not associate the title “Count” with the name “Dracula”. The real man was a prince (and, incidentally, Catholic).

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

1. There’s different sects of Satanists…BUT, that being said, remember that one guy (I believe he was an athiest) from YouTube desicrating the Host (alledgedly?). I think later it turned out that it was in some way a hoax, BUT, just wanting to do that shows some sort of Satan in charge (whether he knew it or not).

Yes, but which one is the true sect?

Anyway, yes, I hate it when people think “Satanist” and they think over the top goth who is proactive in harming others.

Oh, I agree! Personally, I am Episcopalian, and I can’t stand it when people give my religion a bad name?

1. Please do not associate the title “Count” with the name “Dracula”. The real man was a prince (and, incidentally, Catholic).

Ah well, I think the original Dr. Frankenstein was a Geneva Cavinist. Or perhaps Lutheran.

 

[adstrinity]

Yes, but which one is the true sect?

:snigger:

Oh, I agree! Personally, I am Episcopalian, and I can’t stand it when people give my religion a bad name?

I agree! Especially Katherine Jefferts Schori.

Ah well, I think the original Dr. Frankenstein was a Geneva Cavinist. Or perhaps Lutheran.

Really? Source?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I’m not sure what this thread is about? What is the point or question?

I would only say that the Eucharist wouldn’t be stolen from Catholic parishes if we stopped this foolish, impious, idiotic act of handing out Communion in the hand and go back to on the tongue ONLY! Hard to steal it once it’s digesting on the tongue.
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So they could not take it on their tongue move on and spit it out?

What do you think happened before communion in the hand? The groups who wished to do this sort of thing could not do it?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The Eucharist starts disolving pretty quickly, Byz. If someone truly took it on the tongue, there wouldn’t be much left to desecrate. Let’s face it, it makes it harder right? What do I think happened before communion in the hand? I have no idea, friend. You tell me. I have never wasted the time studying early forms of Eucharistic desecration; I have better things to do.

gurneyhalleck1;6417989:

I’m not sure what this thread is about? What is the point or question?

I would only say that the Eucharist wouldn’t be stolen from Catholic parishes if we stopped this foolish, impious, idiotic act of handing out Communion in the hand and go back to on the tongue ONLY! Hard to steal it once it’s digesting on the tongue.
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So they could not take it on their tongue move on and spit it out?

What do you think happened before communion in the hand? The groups who wished to do this sort of thing could not do it?