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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I do not know about where your parish gets their hosts but the ones I have received over the years do not start to dissolve quickly. I have to chew.
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adstrinity
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I second this. If I go to the OF Mass 5 minutes away, I’m typically one of the first 5 in line (first 10 if one includes the EMHCs) so, I get part of the Host that Father broke. I have it placed on my tongue. It does NOT disolve right away.
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AJTheMan
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I’ve heard this argument before. Someone at the local Cathedral told it to me. The argument rests on the idea that because Theistic Satanists (the cult types, not the legitimate satanists) attack only the Catholic Church and steal only Catholic objects, then surely even the devil recognizes the importance of the Catholic church over all others.
It’s really quite absurd because I’m not sure that I would want an angry ghost as my alibi on choice of church.
It’s really quite absurd because I’m not sure that I would want an angry ghost as my alibi on choice of church.
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smitmi03
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Could anyone actually desecrate the Host? Wouldn’t Jesus’ power over Satan and his “followers” trimuph? So maybe these “satanists” are unknowingly getting Christ’s body. Or not. I don’t really want to debate this, but I do wonder whether Jesus would also be present at a “black mass,” perhaps to guide them back?
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AJTheMan
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From what I understand of Christian theology, though, the holy spirit is with everyone, always there for them. It’s up to the person to accept the holy spirit though. Highly unlikely for Satanists, I would think.
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mariahloves
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I didn’t really think there were true satan worshippers who like literally worshipped the devil. I’m sure there are some dumb teenage kids who worship dark entities as part of rebellion but is it really that common? 
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AJTheMan
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Among Satanists? No.I didn’t really think there were true satan worshippers who like literally worshipped the devil. I’m sure there are some dumb teenage kids who worship dark entities as part of rebellion but is it really that common?
Most satanists, from the ones I’ve contacted, disdain the theistic satanists. Most satanists see theistic satanism as being almost exclusively from a rebellious teen attitude.
Anyways, what I would consider the more mature and legitimate satanists are of the LaVeyan Philosophy. Anton LaVey believed that, more or less, “Satan” was not a deity but a symbol for Man’s most inherent nature. Satan was Individualism, freedom from imposed morality, and glorification of the self and body. It’s similar to hedonism but does not go fully in that direction. There are some moral restraints placed by Anton LaVey but for the most part, leading one’s life as one wishes, with help of self-imposed morality instead of church imposed morality, was the human ideal.
Philosophically, like I said, it reaches closer to hedonism but it is not exactly hedonism.
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Mosacked
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Satanism is not just your usual weird rituals, bloody sacrifices & sex and orgies.
It is a MINDSET.
The cornerstone of Satanism is that of self-justification for… yes, FOR SIN. **A true Satanist can even be attending church, and many in fact do! **. The Bible teaches us that the Anti-Christ rejects the Salvation grace of God and rejects the deity of Christ. Now how does a person reject salvation? Easy by refusing to acknowledge that he/he has sinned.
Now, a person (even if he/she is attending church) can sin and then goes on to say that those are not sins because he has certain justifications for those seemingly ‘frivolous’ acts. Take for example, a man who argues that it is okay for him to sleep with a fellow believer because she agrees to it with her own free will and since they are both not married they are not committing sins.
Such acts (there are tons of similar instances every day and minute both in Catholic churches and the Protestant churches or Non-denominational churches) carries the self-delusional believer through his/her life and then onto death only to meet with the gates of HELL.
Now to the OP…
Whatever you experience with people deliberately ENTERING your perceived holy premises to make unholy what you perceive to be holy should be asked “HOW?” and not “WHY”.
*** Don’t ask WHY does the criminal enter the police station to make a mockery of the inspector. ASK HOW can it even be possible??? In the Bible, when the evil spirits saw Jesus, they SHRANK BACK. So, how can it even be possible that a holy place be deliberately made a mess by evil spirits when the spirits are supposed to be in FEAR??? ***
My point is this. Don’t conveniently revel in the self-belief that you are in the truth by classifying the ‘perpetrators’ as evil. Because you are totally missing the core challenges.
Because you came to my house to make a mess of things, therefore my house must actually be clean previously. – This is really plain FOLLY.
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It is a MINDSET.
The cornerstone of Satanism is that of self-justification for… yes, FOR SIN. **A true Satanist can even be attending church, and many in fact do! **. The Bible teaches us that the Anti-Christ rejects the Salvation grace of God and rejects the deity of Christ. Now how does a person reject salvation? Easy by refusing to acknowledge that he/he has sinned.
Now, a person (even if he/she is attending church) can sin and then goes on to say that those are not sins because he has certain justifications for those seemingly ‘frivolous’ acts. Take for example, a man who argues that it is okay for him to sleep with a fellow believer because she agrees to it with her own free will and since they are both not married they are not committing sins.
Such acts (there are tons of similar instances every day and minute both in Catholic churches and the Protestant churches or Non-denominational churches) carries the self-delusional believer through his/her life and then onto death only to meet with the gates of HELL.
Now to the OP…
Whatever you experience with people deliberately ENTERING your perceived holy premises to make unholy what you perceive to be holy should be asked “HOW?” and not “WHY”.
*** Don’t ask WHY does the criminal enter the police station to make a mockery of the inspector. ASK HOW can it even be possible??? In the Bible, when the evil spirits saw Jesus, they SHRANK BACK. So, how can it even be possible that a holy place be deliberately made a mess by evil spirits when the spirits are supposed to be in FEAR??? ***
My point is this. Don’t conveniently revel in the self-belief that you are in the truth by classifying the ‘perpetrators’ as evil. Because you are totally missing the core challenges.
Because you came to my house to make a mess of things, therefore my house must actually be clean previously. – This is really plain FOLLY.
muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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gurneyhalleck1
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I never said it completely dissolves. Of course it takes a bit of chewing…very very little chewing. It starts dissolving a big on the tongue inside your mouth. Of course if some Satanic schlameel wants to walk in and take it into his mouth and then pull it out in a dissolving, melty mess, he could do it. But I’m simply saying, isn’t it more awkward to steal it from your mouth once you’ve taken it in than to merely grab it in the hand when you go up for Communion? Isn’t this a no-brainer which one is easier and which one has more mess and inconvenience? That’s all I’m saying.
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gurneyhalleck1
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Dracula is a fictional character. The fictional character was inspired to some degree by Vlad III the Impaler. For being a Catholic, he sure didn’t live the life we are called to live according to the Church. His revenge against the boyars on Easter Sunday 1457 of all dates, by impaling hundreds of his enemies isn’t exactly something a Catholic would or should do. He systematically ethnically cleansed the Boyars of Wallachia in an attempt to erradicate them. Nice. He wanted to rebuild his castle near Târgovişte and used child labor working the kids by the hundreds literally to death. He impaled thousands of his enemies in a most painful death and was well-known for the creativity involved and the pleasure he took in it. Some people think he was a hero for standing up to the Ottomans. I suppose Sunni Muslims looked at Saddam Hussein the same way for standing up to the Shiite Iranian neighbors but…guess what? He was still a cold-blooded killer and ethnic cleansing lunatic. Dracula was a sick, sadistic bum. I will associate this man how I please and I please to take little pity on his legacy or reputation as a Catholic for goodness sakes??
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adstrinity
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No…
I didn’t say he was the best practicing Catholic, but, he could hardly be blamed.
- Tomorrow, I hope to take the Host at the OF and I will see if it disolves. Typically I crack it on the roof of my mouth. I will let you know.
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gurneyhalleck1
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You’re actually telling me that Dracula was NOT a fictional character? Dude, come on…Vlad Dracul the Impaler was the inspiration for PART of the mythos that created Dracula in the movies. The film character is a fictional, made-up personality. A few of the exentricities of his character came from the real man but I fail to see how you can think Dracula is real? I’ll put on a Bela Lugosi flick for you and we’ll discuss it like it’s a biography. LOL
He could hardly be blamed? Yeah, you’re right, impaling hundreds of people is just something we’re all called to do and it just feels right…
Taking the Host and using it like a lab experiment tomorrow joking about it shows a lack of piety and class, ads…give me a break…
He could hardly be blamed? Yeah, you’re right, impaling hundreds of people is just something we’re all called to do and it just feels right…
Taking the Host and using it like a lab experiment tomorrow joking about it shows a lack of piety and class, ads…give me a break…
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adstrinity
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Yes, and if you know about Vlad the Impaler, then you know his name/title, how he signed letters was, “Draculea”, and he was called, “Dracula”.You’re actually telling me that Dracula was NOT a fictional character? Dude, come on…Vlad Dracul the Impaler was the inspiration for PART of the mythos that created Dracula in the movies. The film character is a fictional, made-up personality. A few of the exentricities of his character came from the real man but I fail to see how you can think Dracula is real? I’ll put on a Bela Lugosi flick for you and we’ll discuss it like it’s a biography. LOL
He could hardly be blamed? Yeah, you’re right, impaling hundreds of people is just something we’re all called to do and it just feels right…
Taking the Host and using it like a lab experiment tomorrow joking about it shows a lack of piety and class, ads…give me a break…
No, I don’t feel that he’s as culpable as we’d all like him to be. He was sold as a child, had no support system, was sodomized and taught warfare by his country’s enemies. He was psychologically ripped apart and didn’t have a moral compass early on. I could go on and on, but, this is not the thread.
I’m not joking about it. I typically do crack the Host against the roof of my mouth with my tongue and then begin chewing. HOWEVER, just to see if this type of wafer will disolve (because, the ones that are at the EF Mass do pretty much disolve on contact), I will hold it on my tongue just to see if it is true. If it is, I will totally come back on this thread and apologize to you and let you know.
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cyberwolf001
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An very wrong. They attack protestants by destroying bibles, Buddhist by destroying Buddha statues and honoring Maya. Jews by doing rituals to Hitler and painting swastikas on Synagogues. The list goes on. Catholics that are told this just refuse to acknowledge it, after all it be one less argument in there favor.
Also most of the wafers are taken from Anglican and Lutheran services or order from supply houses. There only said to be consecrated.
I’ve meet several and they tend to be a good deal more mature than the LaVeyan brand that are basically hyper militant atheists.
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Arminius
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Sadly for one to understand Satanists you have to run deeper. The truth: there are three denominations of Satanists and each is scarier than the first. First you must understand Angels and their functions, second you must understand the father of all lies and demons, third you must understand Aleister Crowley, Anton LaVey, and his daughter, and fourth and above all you must understand the three denominations two are visible one is hidden. The first denomination are simply as you say “Militant Humanists” and give into the natural man which as we know is an enemy to God. Second Denomination believes Satan is a God and “I am” is a God. Satan lost to God in a heavenly war and is the ruler of Hell. As a good Satanists (drag as many people to Hell as possible) they shall rule in Hell along with Satan. Many of them actively parctice magic. The third denomination is the most vile and you would be surprised who is in this cult. It is extremely hard to penetrate these circles and if eye witness accounts are to be believed there are human sacrifices going on all over the world. They believe that “I am” is a false God and when the day of wrath comes Satan will throw down our God and reign eternal. They execute demon summonings, practice black magic (laugh if you want), are not above murder, and are actively seeking to bring about the Apocalypse. Be very close to Christ if you engage them. Fear not for the Lord is with thee.
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Imryl
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Excuse me for taking offense to this. But you clearly don’t have any idea what Satanism is, or what Satanists do. I always love when people think reading books (fictional books I might add) amount to practical knowledge of devil-worship. Truth be told, you won’t find any reliable information online or in books. Because there isn’t any. Nor would you be able to tell by looking at someone whether they worship demons. We have friends, family, children, husbands, good jobs, stable lives and no one is the wiser. Not every Satanists is going through a teenage identity crisis.
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Imryl
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You’re right that the vast majority of people who consider themselves satanists consider themselves unbelievers or symbolic Satanists, i.e. they’re over glorified Atheists. **And **they have a rather bad opinion of the theistic satanists. But these “philosophical” satanists are far in a way more immature then any theistic satanist. (Qualifier: USUALLY) Very few ever try to apply logic or proper reasoning to their beliefs. They can’t tell you why they believe what they believe. MOST of those that I know aren’t all that bright, but they certainly think they do… it’s just the government that’s keeping them in their minimum wage job. Not their tactlessness and own personal laziness.
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Imryl
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Satanists don’t have “denominations” perse. None of them are all that scary either.
This is all nonsense. Crowley is ok, but he lackings in many respects. (My opinion.) And I wouldn’t waste any time with Anton LaVey. He didn’t offer anything “new”, just the same old atheistic, humanistic and hedonistic ways of thinking under a title that was meant to get attention. At most Antony LaVey was a brilliant sales man with keen marketing skills. I have never read anything “new” from a LaVeyan, just the same nonsense that is spewed from every other atheist or non-believer since the time of Christ. They think they have something novel but it’s all just the same drivel.
Now I ought to submit a disclaimer. This is not true for all LaVeyan satanists, just like it isn’t true to say all Satanists wear black, draw pentagrams on themselves and dance around naked around a bonfire in the forest. Some really are intelligent thinkers, but most of them acknowledge that this isn’t anything new.
Wrong again. As others have noted, LaVey Satanists don’t believe in God or Satan. Theistic Satanists may not even have a monotheistic point of view. They tend to be polytheistic actually, or gnostics. I’m not as familiar with the many groups under this auspice. Some say they practice magic, but if you listen to them they’re simply praying. (Asking, requesting, petitioning, etc - sound familiar?) Rituals are simply expressing things that words can’t. Even those who explicitly worship the Christian Satan don’t believe they will reign in hell with the devil. That would just be silly wouldn’t it?
Mmmhmm. You can’t summon a demon. There is no such thing as “black magic”. (It’s called praying) and the rest, well there are good reasons for a satanist not to murder… and Satanists can’t MAKE the end of the world come.
There is a sort of “facebook” for satanists which can be found here. It has a mix of the different flavors of Satanism, although these people tend to be LaVeyans.
No I’m not a member.
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Usbek_de_Perse
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You may take offense, but you clearly don’t recognize satire when you see it. Frankly, in my mind, satan worshipers are like members of the flat earth society. They are irrelevant and silly. Sorry if that is your religion, but it’s a mighty potty one (in my uninformed opinion).
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Usbek_de_Perse
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on Frankenstein being Calvinist? He was in Geneva. He studied at Ingolstatt in Germany. Protestant milieus I think. But if you Catholics want to claim him, go right ahead.
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