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mental illness is a brainwash and mind control system. psychiatry is more of a branch of military government than it is a “science”. What makes psychiatry a branch of military government is the coercion, forced treatment and violation of rights. psychiatry is a social control, which can lead to social death (and worse).

Many people are familiar with psychiatry’s “magic pills”, such as the famous anti-depressant, prozac. They’re not so “magic”, after all. Here is a psych drug commercial parody showing how psychiatry offers salvation, when, in reality, psych drugs are known to cause more harm and damage than benefit.

Literal Drug Commercial

psychiatry’s DSM is mocked, called “psychiatry’s bible”. Psyche, by definition, means spirit. The antichrist is a god-like entity that denies spirit and denies people the ultimate salvation. As far as psychiatry is concerned, genuine psychic, spiritual ability and / or experience is denied, with a “disease model” put in place instead.

If you consider Deepak Chopra, he wrote a book for teenagers about a spirit manifest named ‘Baba’, with whom he spent 4 days. Somehow, it is permissible and acceptable for Deepak Chopra to have such an experience, but not people in the general population (they would be considered to be schizophrenics).

I know of no other entity on this planet that offers salvation.

If you’re interested to know more about psychiatry, check out Robert Whitaker’s Anatomy of an Epidemic

Anatomy of an Epidemic
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Well, while I do not agree with you I must say that’s a very interesting theory.

However I don’t thing you give psychiatry and psycology enough credit. They are fields of science and not ment to give spiritual answers. Christian groups have hated on psycology sense Freud because of his insistence that the human mind is ultimately ruled by sex drive, but there is scientific evidence showing that psychiatric drugs like Prozac work. And I’m not sure I agree, I can’t see anyway that psychiatry offers “salvation” beyond help with mental illness.
 
Skadi said:
Well, while I do not agree with you I must say that’s a very interesting theory.

However I don’t thing you give psychiatry and psycology enough credit. They are fields of science and not ment to give spiritual answers. Christian groups have hated on psycology sense Freud because of his insistence that the human mind is ultimately ruled by sex drive, but there is scientific evidence showing that psychiatric drugs like Prozac work. And I’m not sure I agree, I can’t see anyway that psychiatry offers “salvation” beyond help with mental illness.
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There is no such thing as “mental illness”. There is neglect, abuse, trauma, poverty, lack of education, malnutrition and misdiagnosed disease, but there is no such thing as “mental illness”. It is a brainwash and a mind control system. People should be cautioned against obediently and blindly accepting psychiatry’s psuedoscience.

There are judgmental, condescending, hateful people who look down upon certain individuals, deem that they have “bad brains” and “bad genes”, but in reality, it is some form of holocaust against society’s unfavorable and unwanted

Quite honestly, I find any denial of my assertion to be rooted in either fear or dishonesty. psychiatry being this world’s antichrist is absolute, factual and blaring obvious.
 
gmx2014 said:
There is no such thing as “mental illness”. There is neglect, abuse, trauma, poverty, lack of education, malnutrition and misdiagnosed disease, but there is no such thing as “mental illness”. It is a brainwash and a mind control system. People should be cautioned against obediently and blindly accepting psychiatry’s psuedoscience.

There are judgmental, condescending, hateful people who look down upon certain individuals, deem that they have “bad brains” and “bad genes”, but in reality, it is some form of holocaust against society’s unfavorable and unwanted

Quite honestly, I find any denial of my assertion to be rooted in either fear or dishonesty. psychiatry being this world’s antichrist is absolute, factual and blaring obvious.
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I don’t agree, there most certainly are people with mental illness, as a person with minor mental illness I can say you have no idea what your claiming. It is very real. What is the cause of PTSD and psychosis, ect. If not mental illness?

And your last claim about “bad brains” is also false, Eugenics has nothing to do with psychiatry.
 
Catholics believe that Lucifer was an angel serving God when pride overcame him and he fell and became Satan. Catholics also believe that angels do not have a material body.

That means Satan and his demons also do not have material body (i.e. if the Fall has not changed his properties).
As far as Aliens are concerned there is no official teaching from the church concerning the same. They can be or cannot be. It is also possible that its the angels or demons whom people believe to be aliens. Since they are spirits they can appear in any form to the humans.
Please note that hallucination can wreak havoc to reasoning, especially in this demon/alien realm.

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ScitDei said:
With that said, Is this a troll thread?
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No it’s carry over from a closed thread but I can see where it looks like one.

And in highschool I would talk with my theology teacher about how he thought the Catholic Church would handle public first contact with aliens. He though the church would sit down with them and discuss their own religions, if any, and see if there was similarity. I thought the idea of a alien convert in bishops dress was hysterical.
 
Skadi said:
I don’t agree, there most certainly are people with mental illness, as a person with minor mental illness I can say you have no idea what your claiming. It is very real. What is the cause of PTSD and psychosis, ect. If not mental illness?

And your last claim about “bad brains” is also false, Eugenics has nothing to do with psychiatry.
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Skadi, I have spent the past two years of my life, daily entrenched in this issue. I know exactly what I’m talking about.

“What is the cause of PTSD … if not mental illness?”

post TRAUMATIC stress disorder is not a “mental illness”. Would you point at a car that’s been in a wreck and say that it was manufactured poorly? No, you’d know that the car has been damaged and no longer looks or functions the same. Why look at a human being who has been traumatized and say they were born with bad brains or bad genes? You are aware that “mental illness” is a *disease *model, right? “mental illness” is believed by many, but not all, to be a disease comparable to diabetes (biophysical). These people are hell-bent and determined to MAKE IT a “disease”, but it isn’t. “mental illness” is the biggest LIE there could ever be.

Do you know that fasting is a way to activate the spirit? Why do people fast? When a person is experiencing so-called psychosis, there is more likely to be the following issues rather than some fundamental, organic brain disease, or genetic mutation:
  1. malnutrition
  2. sleep deprivation (which is cultural and environmental, we live in a 24 / 7 / 365 world).
  3. life crisis (personal revelations, events that are beyond one’s control, etc.)
  4. experience, traumatic or sensational
  5. see final point, below.
We do not perform well when we lack understanding (or education). We do not perform well when we have limited vocabularies. When we experience something that we do not understand, we require (name removed by moderator)ut (information). When we experience something that we cannot articulate, we need tools (such as a thesaurus), not drugs.

Finally, it is known that psych drugs actually INDUCE so-called psychosis. People who take psych drugs, typically for depression, later develop “bipolar” disorder, and psychosis, as a result of taking the drugs. psychiatry says the drugs “unmask” the underlying “disease” but THEY’RE WRONG.

If you are interested, truly interested, I highly recommend reading Robert Whitaker’s book.
 
ScitDei said:
Catholics believe that Lucifer was an angel serving God when pride overcame him and he fell and became Satan. Catholics also believe that angels do not have a material body.

That means Satan and his demons also do not have material body (i.e. if the Fall has not changed his properties).
As far as Aliens are concerned there is no official teaching from the church concerning the same. They can be or cannot be. It is also possible that its the angels or demons whom people believe to be aliens. Since they are spirits they can appear in any form to the humans.
Please note that hallucination can wreak havoc to reasoning, especially in this demon/alien realm.

With that said, Is this a troll thread?
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I have direct experience, and knowledge, and will not repeat all that I have already said.

“troll” ?? I find that to be inflammatory. If you actually read this entire thread, you would know this is a serious conversation so, don’t flame.
 
I have very slowly begun to research these “zeta reticuli aliens”, and here is where I am at today:

YouTube: Kathleen Marden - Experiencers Speak on the Alien Agenda

I’m paused at about halfway through, where she is discussing genetic material… how the “alien” species cannot reproduce anymore, so they require assistance from human beings, genetically.

Well then, who created all these different extraterrestrial species to begin with (since apparently, there are more than one)? Of all these different extraterrestrial species, how do THEY account for satan, and for Christ? Aren’t people asking those questions?

I want these extraterrestrial creatures to give an account, to human beings. I want them to give an account of God, Christ and satan (and even give an account of Mohammed and Krishna and Buddha, and whoever else). I want them to give an account of who created them, and why.

Maybe it’s out there somewhere and I will eventually find it, but as of right now, I do not see any human beings asking those questions. The only aspect of “religion” that ever enters the discussions is this idea that “aliens = demons”, which I seriously disagree with. The only thing I feel inclined to agree with is that *reptilians *(which seem to be a distinct species, from other extraterrestrials) would be the “demons”.

And the next thing I’m going to be looking for is the technology and air craft of reptilians (considering if they truly are a distinct, different species from “zeta” or “greys”).

Sigh…
 
I also would like to know if there is an account of where “aliens” get their nutrition. What exactly do they eat, and how? Do human beings know? Experiencers? They should, shouldn’t they? Is it possible that they don’t eat, at all? What sustains them?
 
gmx2014 said:
Skadi, I have spent the past two years of my life, daily entrenched in this issue. I know exactly what I’m talking about.

“What is the cause of PTSD … if not mental illness?”

post TRAUMATIC stress disorder is not a “mental illness”. Would you point at a car that’s been in a wreck and say that it was manufactured poorly? No, you’d know that the car has been damaged and no longer looks or functions the same. Why look at a human being who has been traumatized and say they were born with bad brains or bad genes? You are aware that “mental illness” is a *disease *model, right? “mental illness” is believed by many, but not all, to be a disease comparable to diabetes (biophysical). These people are hell-bent and determined to MAKE IT a “disease”, but it isn’t. “mental illness” is the biggest LIE there could ever be.

Do you know that fasting is a way to activate the spirit? Why do people fast? When a person is experiencing so-called psychosis, there is more likely to be the following issues rather than some fundamental, organic brain disease, or genetic mutation:
  1. malnutrition
  2. sleep deprivation (which is cultural and environmental, we live in a 24 / 7 / 365 world).
  3. life crisis (personal revelations, events that are beyond one’s control, etc.)
  4. experience, traumatic or sensational
  5. see final point, below.
We do not perform well when we lack understanding (or education). We do not perform well when we have limited vocabularies. When we experience something that we do not understand, we require (name removed by moderator)ut (information). When we experience something that we cannot articulate, we need tools (such as a thesaurus), not drugs.

Finally, it is known that psych drugs actually INDUCE so-called psychosis. People who take psych drugs, typically for depression, later develop “bipolar” disorder, and psychosis, as a result of taking the drugs. psychiatry says the drugs “unmask” the underlying “disease” but THEY’RE WRONG.

If you are interested, truly interested, I highly recommend reading Robert Whitaker’s book.
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As a sociologist with some psychology background, I must say I can’t even begin to describe how badly your viewpoint on this is.

1st and formost, priority #1. Psychiatric drugs work! They improve the functionality and quality of life of people taking them which is the point of psychiatry. While some do have side effects the can be very helpfull with everything from every day depression to total psychopathology. They work, improving the lives of most people who take them, period.

#2. psychiatry isn’t about understanding things you see, that’s psychology, psychaitry being the science of brain medicine, would provide the necisary compounds to return you to a normal mental state. It’s job isn’t to tell you if something was real or not, and interpreting halucinations is more psychology.

#3. I don’t know anyone who uses a diseas model for psychological problems. They are almost never caused by infections in the western world and the majority of psychological issues are genetic or stress related, which require talks or medical administration of certain compounds to balance the brain.
 
Skadi said:
As a sociologist with some psychology background, I must say I can’t even begin to describe how badly your viewpoint on this is.

1st and formost, priority #1. Psychiatric drugs work!
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The discussion stops there, because we have oppositional knowledge bases. I’ve already given you Robert Whitaker’s Anatomy of an Epidemic but here are just a few of *countless *resources:

zoloft Lawsuit Center

A wealth of information in this blog: BEYOND MEDS — ALTERNATIVES TO PSYCHIATRY

International Guide to the World of Alternative Mental Health

An abstract from 1986
National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine
Psychiatric iatrogenic disorders

i·at·ro·gen·ic
īˌatrəˈjenik/
adjective
adjective: iatrogenic
Code: 
1.
of or relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment.
I responded to mention of “antichrist”, in this thread, because I do not deny that there is an actual antichrist. Because I accept that there is an actual antichrist, I have found it to be none other than psychiatry itself. Like I said, **there is no other entity that qualifies. **

I do believe that people who are educated and employed in psychiatry have no idea. They would be innocent, unknowing. The identity of the antichrist is not the sort of thing that would be taught in universities or announced in the headline news. But absent of direct teaching and study, and absent of disclosure via the news, does not mean, and is not proof or evidence, that “there is no such thing” or “it doesn’t exist”.

Personally, I would *never *deny that there is an actual antichrist.
 
gmx, you speak with absolute certainty of the things you’ve experienced without leaving room for other explanations. You speak against the societal norm in some countries to drug someone up to fix them, but reject the entire science of psychiatry as a whole for no reason. You continually talk about Satan showing himself to you in his “true” form when you were a sexually experienced five year old.

You need to understand how this looks from someone else’s perspective. No one can make you deny your own experiences, but I am concerned about how you act like someone with a mental illness while denying mental illness. I don’t mean to be rude, but it is hard for me to read everything in this thread (and the other thread) and not feel the need to voice my opinion.

I know nothing about you, so forgive me if I make too drastic of a leap but let’s not forget that while pill popping someone to good health is seen as something psychiatry does, it’s supposed to be done while the person is also actively seeking professional therapy from a psychologist. I’m aware that it can happen, that people will take drugs and hope for a magic fix, but that’s not how treatment is supposed to work. A person has to talk to someone and work through issues. A mental illness may very well be the result of past experiences causing a damaging effect to the brain, but that doesn’t mean they’re not a “mental illness.” If you want to dismiss the idea that a person is born with a broken brain that’s all well and good, but you can’t talk in this forum and claim that schizophrenia doesn’t exist, or obsessive compulsive disorder, or multiple personality disorder, or any other number of conditions that have been scientifically documented.

And, quite frankly, when you make posts wondering about what aliens eat for nutrition I don’t know how you expect to be taken seriously. Extraterrestrials are currently not proven so you should be more interested in looking for proof then trying to figure out what they eat. Eye witness accounts aren’t always reliable, and that would include yours. That goes doubly so for anything you remember while you’re young. I’m not denying that satan appeared to you, but you need to understand that the mind can build false memories around a traumatic event and suggestion. The fact that you don’t leave yourself open to the possibility that what you’ve experienced is anything but genuine casts doubt over everything you have stated here.

That said, I wish you nothing but good will. Although this thread really has no place in this sub forum and scripture is so rarely touched on. Seems more like something for the philosophy sub forum, or the back fence.
 
The actual translation of serpent is ‘bright one’, which translated is angel/sons of God. The garden of Eden is Heaven (a metaphysical place) so then the serpent was for sure an angel/spirit being.

Satan was never a snake (or any other physical creature) either before or after being cast from the garden.
 
Traverse said:
gmx, you speak with absolute certainty of the things you’ve experienced without leaving room for other explanations. You speak against the societal norm in some countries to drug someone up to fix them, but reject the entire science of psychiatry as a whole for no reason. You continually talk about Satan showing himself to you in his “true” form when you were a sexually experienced five year old.

You need to understand how this looks from someone else’s perspective. No one can make you deny your own experiences, but I am concerned about how you act like someone with a mental illness while denying mental illness. I don’t mean to be rude, but it is hard for me to read everything in this thread (and the other thread) and not feel the need to voice my opinion.

I know nothing about you, so forgive me if I make too drastic of a leap but let’s not forget that while pill popping someone to good health is seen as something psychiatry does, it’s supposed to be done while the person is also actively seeking professional therapy from a psychologist. I’m aware that it can happen, that people will take drugs and hope for a magic fix, but that’s not how treatment is supposed to work. A person has to talk to someone and work through issues. A mental illness may very well be the result of past experiences causing a damaging effect to the brain, but that doesn’t mean they’re not a “mental illness.” If you want to dismiss the idea that a person is born with a broken brain that’s all well and good, but you can’t talk in this forum and claim that schizophrenia doesn’t exist, or obsessive compulsive disorder, or multiple personality disorder, or any other number of conditions that have been scientifically documented.

And, quite frankly, when you make posts wondering about what aliens eat for nutrition I don’t know how you expect to be taken seriously. Extraterrestrials are currently not proven so you should be more interested in looking for proof then trying to figure out what they eat. Eye witness accounts aren’t always reliable, and that would include yours. That goes doubly so for anything you remember while you’re young. I’m not denying that satan appeared to you, but you need to understand that the mind can build false memories around a traumatic event and suggestion. The fact that you don’t leave yourself open to the possibility that what you’ve experienced is anything but genuine casts doubt over everything you have stated here.

That said, I wish you nothing but good will. Although this thread really has no place in this sub forum and scripture is so rarely touched on. Seems more like something for the philosophy sub forum, or the back fence.
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The thread can be moved to any other location, that is not up to me.

You wish me good will after insulting me?

“Extraterrestrials are currently not proven”? Really? Are you an atheist? God doesn’t exist, because there’s no proof? I think you’re not a real believer, at all.

There is such abundant information on extraterrestrials that to deny them is nothing less than act of evil, to be honest. Did you watch Kathleen’s presentation? Do you want to imply or suggest that countless individuals, with experience, and knowledge, are all “mentally ill”?

Are demons proved to exist? Show me the proof, right? Or are “demons” just mental illness to you? You are aware, aren’t you, that a popular concept in the world right now is a link between demons and aliens. I’m trying to have a serious conversation here.

I do speak absolute truth and I do NOT compromise on absolute truth, ever, and nobody should ever expect me to. I will not tolerate anybody’s attempt to undermine or discredit my intelligence and my Testimony, and I expect, of all people, BELIEVERS OF GOD, to be the very least likely people to disbelieve, and deny!

If you knew my entire life story, which you don’t, you most likely would still negate and disbelieve, but let’s go there anyway. Do you see my location? Bethel.

What does Bethel mean? It is a Biblical name, is it not? Do you think that is irrelevant, meaningless, insignificant and unimportant? THE TRUTH is that I prayed, and was sent on a “journey”, which came to rest here, of all places, Bethel.

Is that not “proof” enough for you? Do you want my Testimony of the three kings with faces made of light? Or would you like to spit on the Bible, throw it in the trash, and hail up the antichrist’s DSM instead?
 
dmwessel said:
The actual translation of serpent is ‘bright one’, which translated is angel/sons of God. The garden of Eden is Heaven (a metaphysical place) so then the serpent was for sure an angel/spirit being.

Satan was never a snake (or any other physical creature) either before or after being cast from the garden.
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Correct, satan is not an actual snake but it is an actual, physical being (and, as I have already described, it is reptilian and NOT human). Angelic is NOT a word that could be used to describe it.

As I’ve said, lucifer and satan are NOT two in the same (like most people think they are). Guess who lucifer belongs to?

Heaven is inside of you, just like Hell is. They are both internal and external conditions.

Luke 17:21

New Living Translation (NLT)

21 You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.[a]”
 
gmx2014 said:
The discussion stops there, because we have oppositional knowledge bases. I’ve already given you Robert Whitaker’s Anatomy of an Epidemic but here are just a few of *countless *resources:

zoloft Lawsuit Center

A wealth of information in this blog: BEYOND MEDS — ALTERNATIVES TO PSYCHIATRY

International Guide to the World of Alternative Mental Health

An abstract from 1986
National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine
Psychiatric iatrogenic disorders

i·at·ro·gen·ic
īˌatrəˈjenik/
adjective
adjective: iatrogenic
Code: 
1.
of or relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment.
I responded to mention of “antichrist”, in this thread, because I do not deny that there is an actual antichrist. Because I accept that there is an actual antichrist, I have found it to be none other than psychiatry itself. Like I said, **there is no other entity that qualifies. **

I do believe that people who are educated and employed in psychiatry have no idea. They would be innocent, unknowing. The identity of the antichrist is not the sort of thing that would be taught in universities or announced in the headline news. But absent of direct teaching and study, and absent of disclosure via the news, does not mean, and is not proof or evidence, that “there is no such thing” or “it doesn’t exist”.

Personally, I would *never *deny that there is an actual antichrist.
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I see a couple problems here.
  1. The bible seems to state the anti-Christ is a litteral person who unites the world. Although I guess you could interprate it your way psycology is far from ruling the world. You also seem confident that because psychology is the only “entity” (implying a field if science is a conscious being) which currently fits your definition it must be the antichrist. What makes you think the antichrist is here now? Christians have though they were living in the end times for 2000 years, the apostles expected the apocolypse in their lifetime, and yet the world goes on. Why is this the end times? Revelation is so vague.
  2. There is definitive proof psychological drugs work. These things are tested and regulated heavily before being produced and its in the intrest of company’s to produce working drugs (though not cures, but there is no “cure” for genetic mental illness, only treatment).
We have scientifically verified proof these things work, we know how the brain works on a chemical level.

I know there are alot of people very against psychological drugs and I personally refuse depresion medication, though simply out of desire to strengthen myself mentally through fighting it myself. But what interests me is how you attach religion to that. While there are lots of anti-drug folks most are “return to the earth” types or Christian-scientists. Your viewpoint seems very different.

On the other hand most religious hatred in this area goes to psycology as opposed to psychiatry, largely because of Freuds claims about human sexuality. Do you feal this way about the whole psyc field or just psychopharmacology, the use of drugs and compound to alter the mind?
 
Skadi said:
I see a couple problems here.
  1. The bible seems to state the anti-Christ is a litteral person who unites the world. Although I guess you could interprate it your way psycology is far from ruling the world. You also seem confident that because psychology is the only “entity” (implying a field if science is a conscious being) which currently fits your definition it must be the antichrist. What makes you think the antichrist is here now? Christians have though they were living in the end times for 2000 years, the apostles expected the apocolypse in their lifetime, and yet the world goes on. Why is this the end times? Revelation is so vague.
  2. There is definitive proof psychological drugs work. These things are tested and regulated heavily before being produced and its in the intrest of company’s to produce working drugs (though not cures, but there is no “cure” for genetic mental illness, only treatment).
We have scientifically verified proof these things work, we know how the brain works on a chemical level.

I know there are alot of people very against psychological drugs and I personally refuse depresion medication, though simply out of desire to strengthen myself mentally through fighting it myself. But what interests me is how you attach religion to that. While there are lots of anti-drug folks most are “return to the earth” types or Christian-scientists. Your viewpoint seems very different.

On the other hand most religious hatred in this area goes to psycology as opposed to psychiatry, largely because of Freuds claims about human sexuality. Do you feal this way about the whole psyc field or just psychopharmacology, the use of drugs and compound to alter the mind?
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Thinking of the concept of one individual, and his identity: to whom is he offering salvation, and by what method does he do it?

If a country is a she, psychiatry is a he.

psychiatry and psychology are different things.

I’m aware that there is a drug that is given to some sex offenders, to interfere with their sexual functioning. I think that is barbaric and cruel. Some psych drugs interfere with people’s sexual functioning even when that isn’t what it’s being prescribed for. When a drug that is meant to “treat” something, causes harm and damage, you’re not dealing with a “medicine”. You’re dealing with a harmful drug. That is the most obvious aspect of the denial of the ultimate salvation: you are given a “med” that **harms **you. In many, many instances, people who take psych drugs kill themselves, or others. That is the denial of the ultimate salvation, if there ever was one.

They’ve moved on to children (there are even infants being given these damned drugs, which is an outrage!).

Actor Tim Robbins on Psych Drugging of Children

My view is different because I use my own eyes to see, my own mind to think and my own voice to speak. I believe in being my authentic self, and I am a natural non-conformist.
 
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