Satanic Verses?

[swariffin]

Salaam/peace

Holy Kaaba was built for prayer purpose , it’s the first prayer house in the world. So , Muslims face towards it as it’s a command of God . What’s the problem with it ?

You told me that God was not there. That is the problem. Why do you have to face to a thing when praying, then? That is a BIG PROBLEM, you know? It is a SERIOUS PROBLEM, since you believe that “GOD” HIMSELF COMMANDS you to do so. How come REAL AND TRUE GOD ever command you to direct your prayer to a thing?

 

[Zlatan]

Salaam/peace

Holy Kaaba was built for prayer purpose , it’s the first prayer house in the world. So , Muslims face towards it as it’s a command of God . What’s the problem with it ?

his question was why did allah change his prayer derection from jerusalem to mecca? Why would a monothiestic diety want anybody to pray towards a building that was used to house pagan idols? Hahah the Kaba was not the 1st prayer house in the world thats a completely concocted history. There is not 1 shred of historical or archeological evidence to support that claim

 

[Zlatan]

Salaam/peace

hahaha , u think Muslims submitted themselves to God but believe in u ? It’s enough for us that God says in Quran He will protect it .

God made Quran easy for us to remember .So , since the beginning of the revealtion , Muslims memorised & recited those in daily prayers. It’s not possbible to change any single word of it. Why not try ? Write some verses , delete / edit / add few words .

Go to any mosque , Ask Imam if these are the correct verses or not . This test is not that hard , u can easily do it . Millioooooons Qurane Hafiz ( those who memorised the whole Quran ) are there in the world. It’s not possible for anyone to print any copy of Quran that has wrong verses …Muslims will catch the culprit immediately.

hahaaha wrong again

my 1st point i want to make is that just because muslims memorised the koran that does not prove it was not corrupted as even mohammed forgot many koranic verses

Sahih Bukhari i Volume 6, Book 61, Number 562:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet heard a reciter reciting, the Qur’an in the mosque at night. The Prophet said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has remind ed me of such-and-such Verses of such and-such Suras, which I missed!”

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 558:
Narrated Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.”

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 550:
Narrated Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “It is a bad thing that some of you say, ‘I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur’an,’ for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur’an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do.”

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 552:
Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, “Keep on reciting the Qur’an, for, by Him in Whose Hand my life is, Quran runs away (is forgotten) faster than camels that are released from their tying ropes.”

Hahah not even mohammed could remember it all properly . lol what your saying does not prove anything.

my second point is that how can u say that allah protected the koran when he could not protect many verses being lost because of death of those who memorised it and because of a “satanic” goat lol???

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 509:
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet’s Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra’ of the! Qur’an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yalmama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra’ on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’an be collected." I said to 'Umar, “How can you do something which Allah’s Apostle did not do?” 'Umar said, “By Allah, that is a good project. “Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized.” Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah’s Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’an and collect it in one book).” By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur’an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, “How will you do something which Allah’s Apostle did not do?” Abu Bakr replied, “By Allah, it is a good project.” Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is:
‘Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty…(till the end of Surat-Baraa’ (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur’an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of 'Umar.

Sahih Bukhari volume 8, Book 82, Number 816:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
'Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” 'Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.”
Its precisely because of allah’s inability to maintain the lives of those who memorized the Koran and because of a wayward goat that these verses have been lost. The words of Allah have been lost due to his inability to maintain them These verses were not the result of a abrogation as nowhere is it mentioned that they were abrogated in the Koran or ahadith. The ahadith affirms the stoning verses

 

[Zlatan]

Hadith Ibn-e-Maja. “Narrated by Hazrat Ā’ishah that ayat-e-Rajm and ayat Raza’at were revealed, they were written on something. I kept them under the cart, meanwhile the holy prophet died and we became busy and one GOAT came and ATE those ayyat”

these verses were not abrogated as it says

al-Tabari (p.1821) / Ibn Ishaq quoted Umar saying (1015), “Part of what he sent was the passage on stoning; we read it, we were taught it, and we heeded it.”

My 3rd point is that is that because the koran was not written down into one single codex till 20 years after mohammed’s death many variations occured created by mohammed himself as he could not remember word for word how everything he said. Mohamemd said different things to different people at different times and this created many variations. The varaitions of the koran were not intended to make things easier to remember as all they did is create utter confusion amongst his followers as to which way was the right mode.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 41, Number 601:
Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
I** heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah’s Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah’s Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah s Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, “It was revealed in this way**. **The Qur’an has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easier for you.” **

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 442:
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
Allah’s Apostle said, “**Gabriel read the Qur’an to me in one way (i.e. dialect) and I continued asking him to read it in different ways till he read it in seven different ways.”

Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 2215 Narrated byUbayy ibn Ka’b
Ubayy told of Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) meeting Gabriel and saying, “I have been sent, Gabriel, to a people who are unlettered, among whom are old women and old men, boys and girls, and men who have never read a book.” He replied, “The Qur’an, Muhammad, has been sent down in seven modes.”**

Sahih Muslim Hadith 1787/9 Narrated byUbayy ibn Ka’b
The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) was near the cistern of Banu Ghifar when Gabriel came to him and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur’an in one dialect to your people. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur’an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah this He said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur’an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they recite, they will be right.

Why did Allah required 7 versions of the same book? hahah no other holy book in history was revealed in such a confusing way. It was not to make things easier as i demonstrated it caused confusion. Mohammed just use that as an excuse to vocer up dialectic and textual variations he himself produced

 

[Zlatan]

my fourth Point is that these 6 other variations were in fact burnt by Caliph Uthman.

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’an, so he said to 'Uthman, “O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before.” So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, “**Send us the manuscripts of the Qur’an so that we may compile the Qur’anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you.” **Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, “In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur’an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur’an was revealed in their tongue.” They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur’an and I used to hear Allah’s Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): ‘Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.’ (33.23)

Because of these so many variations all of which were right there was no standardised koran. Hence Caliph Uthman urnt all the other recorded leaving only the koran in the Qurashi dialect. All the other 6 versions were burnt by Uthman and please to explain to me if all the versions were correct as mohammed said and allah made no difference between them then why did allah allow uthman to burn his sacred words? The other korans which were also legitimate were lost and Allah did nothing? You call that protecting the koran? Allah seems to be very weak and unable to protect his sacred koran from being burnt. The standardised koran we have today was the result of this Sacrilege.