Satanism: Do you know the difference?

[jen_fla]

Heck, it is hard to even get a group of Christians from the same denomination to agree on everything! :slapfight:

And you are soo correct. There are many styles out there. I happen to know a few personally. I was married to a** “real”** Luciferian for a while. I did not know what he was though. Was quite shocking. The older groups have survived for hundreds of years because it is shrouded in secrecy. You will not spot them, and if you do find out it will not be right away. My ex even occasionally went with his mother to church. Contrary to Hollywood they do not burn or out act demonically when walking into a church.

**Some may even attend a church if there is a person they are “targeting” there.
**

hi auriel,

fascinating post. could you elaborate on the “targeting” bit. does this happen usually with people they know? also, not to pry into your relationship with your exhusband, but did you ever sense something was off spiritually in him? how did you find out?

i apologize if that is too nosy.

 

[Veritas248]

Of course I wouldn’t figure it out. I’m only good with analyzing quotes in my English class. I’m only a high school student.

Regardless, thanks for the heads up.

So? I’m only a first year college student. You call yourself Catholic yet you claim not to need religion,but you also like religion to the point of studying it…yours is a curious position if I have ever saw one. Forgive me for trying to make some sense out of it; You have awakened the sleeping philosopher within me.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

So? I’m only a first year college student. You call yourself Catholic yet you claim not to need religion,but you also like religion to the point of studying it…yours is a curious position if I have ever saw one. Forgive me for trying to make some sense out of it; You have awakened the sleeping philosopher within me.

I am only Catholic on paper and by heritage. Remember that. :yup: You want a simple description of my religious beliefs? I know I’ve said it before:

I am a strong Agnostic (meaning I am unsure abou whether or not God exists) with Catholic influences (meaning I can’t rid of some useful teachings from my past as a Catholic) and Satanic sympathies (meaning there are some philosophies from LaVey’s Satanic Bible that I *do *agree with).

A first year in college, huh? That’s going to be me in a few months. But, assuming you’re younger than I think you are, I’m thinking you won’t be Catholic for very long. :ehh: It’s quite… uh… common for someone to leave their faith behind when they learn more about religion. Then again, maybe you’re just different and can keep your faith away from studies. Not many people can do that.

 

[Veritas248]

I am only Catholic on paper and by heritage. Remember that. :yup: You want a simple description of my religious beliefs? I know I’ve said it before:

**I am a strong Agnostic (meaning I am unsure abou whether or not God exists) with Catholic influences (meaning I can’t rid of some useful teachings from my past as a Catholic) and Satanic sympathies (meaning there are some philosophies from LaVey’s Satanic Bible that I *do ***agree with).

A first year in college, huh? That’s going to be me in a few months. But, assuming you’re younger than I think you are, I’m thinking you won’t be Catholic for very long. :ehh: It’s quite… uh… common for someone to leave their faith behind when they learn more about religion. Then again, maybe you’re just different and can keep your faith away from studies. Not many people can do that.

Ok.
Now about me, you are wrong. Like I’ve said, I’ve been studying religion for years. My Parish used to give confirmation tests. At the age of 12, I knew more about Catholicism than some of the confirmation students, enough to help them study for the tests. I never accept anything at face value. I always question people’s credibility, and don’t settle on anything less than the Truth. The reason most people leave their faith behind is more psychological than theological. They just wish to do what they please. Its mere arrogance and selfishness. Now as for me, I don’t want to do what I please. I want to follow the Truth, not whims or feelings. While some people try to redefine Truth to suit their desires and wants, I do the opposite. I take what I think and conform it to what is True. That is why I study other religions, to discover all the Truth I possibly can. As for my faith in God, I have no doubt that He exists. God is the only reason that makes any sense to me. I cannot accept the idea of matter producing thoughts. I also cannot accept that my mind has no Greater Mind that formed it.Materialism to me, is stupid, ignorant, foolish, and degrading. He also gives me hope. I see so much injustice in today’s world, abortion, slavery, torture, and genocide, and little to no justice. My faith in God reminds me constantly that one day, all of us, including myself, will get what is coming to us. Then after we have been judged, the righteous will rise to everlasting life, and the wicked will go into everlasting torment. Bottom line: The chances of me turning my back on Catholicism are slim to none.

 

[jen_fla]

Ok.
Now about me, you are wrong. Like I’ve said, I’ve been studying religion for years. My Parish used to give confirmation tests. At the age of 12, I knew more about Catholicism than some of the confirmation students, enough to help them study for the tests. I never accept anything at face value. I always question people’s credibility, and don’t settle on anything less than the Truth. The reason most people leave their faith behind is more psychological than theological. They just wish to do what they please. Its mere arrogance and selfishness. Now as for me, I don’t want to do what I please. I want to follow the Truth, not whims or feelings. While some people try to redefine Truth to suit their desires and wants, I do the opposite. I take what I think and conform it to what is True. That is why I study other religions, to discover all the Truth I possibly can. As for my faith in God, I have no doubt that He exists. God is the only reason that makes any sense to me. I cannot accept the idea of matter producing thoughts. I also cannot accept that my mind has no Greater Mind that formed it.Materialism to me, is stupid, ignorant, foolish, and degrading. He also gives me hope. I see so much injustice in today’s world, abortion, slavery, torture, and genocide, and little to no justice. My faith in God reminds me constantly that one day, all of us, including myself, will get what is coming to us. Then after we have been judged, the righteous will rise to everlasting life, and the wicked will go into everlasting torment. Bottom line: The chances of me turning my back on Catholicism are slim to none.

very mature post. you seem much older. i wish i had your faith and knowledge when i was in my teens, college and the ten years later. during that period i lived life for ME and now i am living with some major regrets… all of which could have been avoided had i listed to the Church and not myself and the mainstream modern views.

stay strong. the college years are quite challenging.

peace,
jen

 

[Rawb]

I really didn’t want to get into this thread, but I have to say this and only this:

It’s quite… uh… common for someone to leave their faith behind when they learn more about religion. Then again, maybe you’re just different and can keep your faith away from studies. Not many people can do that

This is far from the truth, in my experience.

Someone tells you they’re “Agnostic” you ask them what they mean, or how they got to be Agnostic, and you hear about how they were raised Presbyterian but then studied religions and became more “open minded”.

Someone tells you they’re Catholic, or Presbyterian, Jewish, or Methodist, and isn’t your first instinct that they’re born into that religion? How many people then ask you beyond that how you got to that religion, or why? You don’t hear that the Jew is a convert who studied world religions and can speak eloquently on many of them, but believes Judaism to be the truth, or that the Catholic was raised in their faith but studied world religions and knows the doctrines and creeds of many nonCatholic religions, but these only strengthened their own Faith. There is never a need to “keep your faith away from your studies”, that’s contrary to central Catholic dogma.

There are a few “tell me your story” religions; Buddhism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Wiccan, etc (the “out of the ordinary” religions that are so popular nowadays), but if someone tells us they’re a member of an established, organized religion, we don’t hear the backstory, so assumptions as to their knowledge of other religions are quite often made and, as I said, in my experience these are often false.

 

[Veritas248]

I really didn’t want to get into this thread, but I have to say this and only this:

This is far from the truth, in my experience.

Someone tells you they’re “Agnostic” you ask them what they mean, or how they got to be Agnostic, and you hear about how they were raised Presbyterian but then studied religions and became more “open minded”.

Someone tells you they’re Catholic, or Presbyterian, Jewish, or Methodist, and isn’t your first instinct that they’re born into that religion? How many people then ask you beyond that how you got to that religion, or why? You don’t hear that the Jew is a convert who studied world religions and can speak eloquently on many of them, but believes Judaism to be the truth, or that the Catholic was raised in their faith but studied world religions and knows the doctrines and creeds of many nonCatholic religions, but these only strengthened their own Faith. There is never a need to “keep your faith away from your studies”, that’s contrary to central Catholic dogma.

There are a few “tell me your story” religions; Buddhism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Wiccan, etc (the “out of the ordinary” religions that are so popular nowadays), but if someone tells us they’re a member of an established, organized religion, we don’t hear the backstory, so assumptions as to their knowledge of other religions are quite often made and, as I said, in my experience these are often false.

 

[Veritas248]

very mature post. you seem much older. i wish i had your faith and knowledge when i was in my teens, college and the ten years later. during that period i lived life for ME and now i am living with some major regrets… all of which could have been avoided had i listed to the Church and not myself and the mainstream modern views.

stay strong. the college years are quite challenging.

peace,z
jen

Thanks.

 

[RubyT]

Originally Posted by Blade and Blood
Blade and Blood, here.

In a thread on LaVeyan Satanism (posted by a LaVeyan Satanist who hasn’t been seen since the thread reached over 500 posts), I can safely assume that only a precious few here know the difference between Theistic Satanism and LaVeyan Satanism.

Satanism, in general, is an umbrella term, just as well as Christianity is: There are denominations-- although Satanism only contains about 5 or 6 denominations, whereas Christianity has more than hundreds.

My question: Do you know the differences between the following denominations?

LaVeyan Satanism: founded by Timothy LaVey, the Oklahoma City bomber

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVey not LaVey??

 

[Mihaela]

There’s nothig wrong in having knowledge,as long as u use it in good purposes and know ur position and u don’t betray God above.:angel1:

 

[Imryl]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVey not LaVey??

LaVeyan Satanism was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966.

However… I believe the person who made that comment, SedesDomi, was simply poking fun at the question.

Well, hopefully anyway… “Satanism Dabbling: Satanic version of the Neo-Pagan Fluffy-Bunnies” is probably the most humorous, appropriate description of Satanic Dabbling I’ve ever heard!

 

[cthulhubryan]

That’s cool. I’ve only begun my studies. I have many books on World Religions, and hope to learn more.

Be careful. There are things you cannot unlearn. There are things normal men should not know. I do not mean this just as a reference to my user name but seriously the study of a thing can sometimes open one up to a thing.

If you stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back at you - Nietzsche.

 

[Mihaela]

Be careful. There are things you cannot unlearn. There are things normal men should not know. I do not mean this just as a reference to my user name but seriously the study of a thing can sometimes open one up to a thing.

If you stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back at you - Nietzsche.

This is very true.

 

[SedesDomi]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVey not LaVey??

Correct. I was joking.

 

[jen_fla]

Be careful. There are things you cannot unlearn. There are things normal men should not know. I do not mean this just as a reference to my user name but seriously the study of a thing can sometimes open one up to a thing.

If you stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back at you - Nietzsche.

i don’t get your user name. could you explain? thanks.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Ok.
Now about me, you are wrong. Like I’ve said, I’ve been studying religion for years. My Parish used to give confirmation tests. At the age of 12, I knew more about Catholicism than some of the confirmation students, enough to help them study for the tests. I never accept anything at face value. I always question people’s credibility, and don’t settle on anything less than the Truth. The reason most people leave their faith behind is more psychological than theological. They just wish to do what they please. Its mere arrogance and selfishness. Now as for me, I don’t want to do what I please. I want to follow the Truth, not whims or feelings. While some people try to redefine Truth to suit their desires and wants, I do the opposite. I take what I think and conform it to what is True. That is why I study other religions, to discover all the Truth I possibly can. As for my faith in God, I have no doubt that He exists. God is the only reason that makes any sense to me. I cannot accept the idea of matter producing thoughts. I also cannot accept that my mind has no Greater Mind that formed it.Materialism to me, is stupid, ignorant, foolish, and degrading. He also gives me hope. I see so much injustice in today’s world, abortion, slavery, torture, and genocide, and little to no justice. My faith in God reminds me constantly that one day, all of us, including myself, will get what is coming to us. Then after we have been judged, the righteous will rise to everlasting life, and the wicked will go into everlasting torment. Bottom line: The chances of me turning my back on Catholicism are slim to none.

Big fat duh. I already felt that you wouldn’t leave… I was just… uh… pondering. But, no one ever said you’d be going to materialism.

You seemed get quite defensive at my curiosities.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVey not LaVey??

Anton LaVey is the founder of the Church of Satan.

Timothy McVey is the Oklahoma City Bomber.

The two are not related.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Be careful. There are things you cannot unlearn. There are things normal men should not know. I do not mean this just as a reference to my user name but seriously the study of a thing can sometimes open one up to a thing.

If you stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back at you - Nietzsche.

What is normal, I wonder… it most certainly isn’t a girl like me.

 

[ibkc]

The only person who knows what he’s talking about in this entire thread - including the OP - is Ian Corrigan.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

The only person who knows what he’s talking about in this entire thread - including the OP - is Ian Corrigan.

Probably. His post was very well-written. But, there are more positions on this particular religion than just Corrigan’s.