Satanism

[FeelsLikeDaddy]

I have a co-worker who practices Satanism as well as portions of Wicca and Green Magic. I have talked to him about it asking him what has compelled him to do these things. I have to admit what he presented me with was compelling.

The 9 Satanic Sins:
Stupidity
Pretentiousness
Solipsism
Self-deceit
Herd Conformity
Lack of Perspective
Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride
Lack of Aesthetics

as well as The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth:
-Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
-Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them
-When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there
-If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy
-Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal
-Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved
-Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained
-Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself
-Do not harm little children
-Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food
-When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

These, to me, are the core values of being a Human. I am not converting to Satanism, but they do, however, have some very valid points. How do you feel on this?

 

[FeelsLikeDaddy]

Anyone?

 

[FeelsLikeDaddy]

Examples?

 

[Robert_Sock]

They’re lacking in faith, hope and LOVE!

 

[crystal_waters]

-When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

they tell you to destroy someone who bothers you?

why not just walk away…or if that cant be done, just defend yourself?..why destroy a person…thats just evil

 

[FeelsLikeDaddy]

they tell you to destroy someone who bothers you?

why not just walk away…or if that cant be done, just defend yourself?..why destroy a person…thats just evil

If they don’t leave you alone and continue to instigate, why should you NOT destroy them? They are disrespecting you as a person.

That makes no sense, whatsoever.

 

[crystal_waters]

If they don’t leave you alone and continue to instigate, why should you NOT destroy them? They are disrespecting you as a person.

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because jesus teaches us to turn the other cheek, and to love and pray for our enemies…destoying someone is from the evil one, not from what god wants us to do

 

[FeelsLikeDaddy]

because jesus teaches us to turn the other cheek, and to love and pray for our enemies…destoying someone is from the evil one, not from what god wants us to do

So we are supposed to be push-overs?

 

[crystal_waters]

So we are supposed to be push-overs?

we are suppose to imitate jesus…and his saints

do you consider jesus and his saints pushovers?

 

[icamay]

My brother practices Wicca. He is surprisingly respectful of my faith, and he never tries to sway me. I do not agree with his ideas and I always pray for his soul, but he knows where I stand and I love him. I will never turn my back on my brother, nor will I push him away over our differences.

My brother is amazingly peaceful - he has not always been. He was discharged from the military for his violent demeanor. I have seen him change since he began to believe in Wicca, and I can only pray that he will soon see how Christ is even more powerful. I will not lie, though - I am very grateful that he found something that changed his life.

We had a very, VERY traumatic childhood, and we endured things that children should not. I turned to God; he turned away. Our mother abandoned him and kept me; I will never do this to him. Understanding (and witnessing) the abuse and torment he went through makes me understand how he can be confused. I get very angry when my Christian friends suggest that I do away with him over his practices. Only people who have never been neglected, abused, and abandoned can make such suggestions! I believe in Jesus’s mercy, and I believe that God made us brother & sister. I will not undo what God has done. I can only hope that a sister’s love and prayers can compensate for what my brother lacks in faith.

 

[JoshuaNY]

-If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy

If that is a core value ill eat my shoe!!

Plus I would prefer to call my dwelling and Aerie. Sounds better and Hawks are kool!

 

[MtnDwellar]

Anyone?

The reason that you are not getting many responses is because Lavey’s teachings are so far off from Christianity that it is hard to know where to start. Some of the statements are so untenable that they do not warrant comments. Other statements are valid but are not worthy of making a top ten list. They are clearly the babble of a self-deluded individual who has come to believe he is his own personal deity.

Whoever buys into this teaching is already in violation of Satanic Sin number 1.

 

[crystal_waters]

If that is a core value ill eat my shoe!!
!

i know!!! we all get the occasional annoying guest, but i was raised to treat people with respect, kindness…id never treat a guest like that

 

[michelleds]

I find it difficult to believe that OP is anything other than a troll, but for anyone else who stumbles onto this thread, Satanism is the worship and deification of satan. That’s pretty simple, isn’t it? Regardless of the “rules” or “sins” as presented by any one satanist or satanic group, it boils down to worshipping satan.

CS Lewis’ famous quote about the devil’s biggest victory was convincing people that that he didn’t exist has a corollary: an inordinate interest in satan

 

[JoshuaNY]

I find it difficult to believe that OP is anything other than a troll, but for anyone else who stumbles onto this thread, Satanism is the worship and deification of satan. That’s pretty simple, isn’t it? Regardless of the “rules” or “sins” as presented by any one satanist or satanic group, it boils down to worshipping satan.

CS Lewis’ famous quote about the devil’s biggest victory was convincing people that that he didn’t exist has a corollary: an inordinate interest in satan

Actually, Lavey satanism which those ‘sins’ are derived from does not deify satan. The only thing they worship is the self. It uses satan as a symbol for the nature of man.
Theistic stanism worships the devil.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

These, to me, are the core values of being a Human. I am not converting to Satanism, but they do, however, have some very valid points. How do you feel on this?

Let me give my own evaluation:

The 9 Satanic Sins:
Stupidity
Pretentiousness
Solipsism
Self-deceit
Herd Conformity
Lack of Perspective
Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride
Lack of Aesthetics

With the exception of perhaps solipsism, this sounds like a lot of extreme Traditionalists as well as fundamentalists like Jack Chick.

-Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
-Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them

Indeed. I am often outraged at the way people look down self-sufficiency and independence on these threads. I mean just because the likes of Ayn Rand supported such ideals doesn’t mean you should hate them.

-When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there

Well duh, it’'s only polite.

-If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy

Okay this I don’t entirely agree with… unless the “guest” is doing it on purpose.

-Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal

Okay that’s just stupid. I absolutely despise the Freudian-style world view.

-Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved

Too lax. It’s in contrast to the “Do not speak unless ask” rules at the beginning. Personally I’d rewrite the part after “unless” and replace it with “unless the other person gets on his/her knees in front of you and begs to be relieved.”

-Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained

Downright nonsense. Ironically, if this really were the Satanism that is simply atheism with a satanic label, any idea of magic is the stuff of superstitious fairy tales.

-Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself

I can’t say I get this.

-Do not harm little children

Neutral on that. There are cases of spoiling the child due to a spared rod. (My youngest brother is one big example. )

-Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food

Disagree. Hunting is also a sport.

-When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

A little rough around the end but the pacifists on this thread certainly sound closed to the idea that self-defense may warrant actually destroying the thing you are defending against.

Besides, it doesn’t exactly specify if the word “destroy” here should be taken literally or figuratively (the latter which any person is entitled for morally legitimate self-defense).

 

[Rolypoly]

I have a co-worker who practices Satanism as well as portions of Wicca and Green Magic. I have talked to him about it asking him what has compelled him to do these things. I have to admit what he presented me with was compelling.

The 9 Satanic Sins:
Stupidity
Pretentiousness
Solipsism
Self-deceit
Herd Conformity
Lack of Perspective
Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride
Lack of Aesthetics

as well as The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth:
-Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
-Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them
-When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there
-If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy
-Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal
-Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved
-Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained
-Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself
-Do not harm little children
-Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food
-When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

These, to me, are the core values of being a Human. I am not converting to Satanism, but they do, however, have some very valid points. How do you feel on this?

These “values” sound eerily like our culture today:

Watch out for yourself and $%@& anyone and anything that gets in your way.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

You sign yourself a ‘general Christian’ so you should know what commandment Jesus gave to His followers: “love one another as I have loved you”. Destroying someone who bothers you or treating cruelly someone who annoys you in your lair doesn’t sound like love. Nope, definitely not love.

Acknowledging the power of magic and believing in it is idolatry, not Christianity.

The bit about sexual advances may be common sense but it’s not Christian, no how, no way.

To call a lack of aesthetics a sin is over the top. Bad taste is an offense against who? Satan? Not God.

I don’t see this is at all compelling or that the points are valid or that the values are human or humane. And I, too, suspect you are a troll.

 

[BluesPicker]

You sign yourself a ‘general Christian’ so you should know what commandment Jesus gave to His followers: “love one another as I have loved you”. Destroying someone who bothers you or treating cruelly someone who annoys you in your lair doesn’t sound like love. Nope, definitely not love.

Acknowledging the power of magic and believing in it is idolatry, not Christianity.

The bit about sexual advances may be common sense but it’s not Christian, no how, no way.

To call a lack of aesthetics a sin is over the top. Bad taste is an offense against who? Satan? Not God.

I don’t see this is at all compelling or that the points are valid or that the values are human or humane. And I, too, suspect you are a troll.

 I  concur totally.  Each day brings us closer to the End Times and  the Last Judgment.  So  I suspect  those who follow the ape of God, Satan,  will come to sow tares in the wheat.  However,  I  would like to share a prayer  with all.

Almighty and ever living God, our beloved Holy Trinity
and Faithful Shield, we bow before You in humility and
in awe of Your sublime Power and Infinite Love for us.

We recognize and acknowledge the war waging around us
every moment of every day between the Good that is Yours
and the evil that follows Satan.

We also recognize and acknowledge the powerful gift
of free will that You have bestowed upon us and we
choose now to exorcise that gift before you, before
your Holy Court, and before all creation right now.

Lord God, Let our tiny voices, be amplified through Your Power
so that resounding throughout all of Creation, the announcement
that we have chosen a side in this war and that side is with God,
our beloved Holy Trinity, with our Father, with the Son,
and with the Holy Spirit.
Let our body, soul and spirit be marked with our choice,
with the Seal of the living God.

We thank you Father for allowing us this beautiful choice.
We know we are neither the first nor the last to choose
the side of life in this war, the largest war ever waged in
all of human history. Lord Jesus Christ, we ask that we be
covered in your Precious Blood. Give us the Strength,
the Fortitude, and Clarity of mind to fight the Good Fight
as the Christians You want us to Be. Fortified and
Covered in Your Precious Blood grant that we may resist
all that divides us from You so that we all may enter
the Kingdom of Heaven so together with all the Saints who
have gone before us, the Holy Angels and Our Blessed Mother
we may Sing Praises and give You Glory for ever & ever. I ask
all this in the Name of Jesus Christ, my Lord & Savior.

BP

 

[TEPO]

-Do not harm little children

What do they mean “little” children…? Like how little?