Satanists conduct "Black Masses." Do they also conduct "Black Bible study services"??

[latinmasslover]

Most true Satanists would read the above posts and wet themselves laughing. Satanists “mock” Christianity not because they seek to “mock” those things “holy” but because they are “mocking” the superstition Christians embrace in the Satanists eyes.

Satanists don’t believe in God…the don’t believe in Satan…they don’t believe any of the “relics” are holy be it water, bible, host, chalice.

They have no diabolical underlying reasons…they are true humanists.

Very few…VERY FEW Satanists accept any “deity” of any kind and venerate no objects as “unholy”.

Anton LaVey was a carnie…who saw “good Christians” in the front rows Saturday night and then go confess on Sunday…he saw the powerlessness and superstitious nature of Christianity…it had no power to change lives…at least no lives lived out before him…

He used “Christian words” to build his rituals he termed “psycho drama” to show the foolishness Christians embraced…he saw the church’s fear of things “satanic” and revelled in it…he would laugh and slap his knee to read posts about manifesting demons and satanic attacks from 21st century people.

Not intended to be an indictment but intended to be an explanation. I have read the Satanic Bible, Devil’s Notebook, Satanic Witch, Satanic Rituals by Anton LaVey, plus my brother holds the man’s philosophy in high esteem…Anton LaVey had no religious leanings…he was more of an actor and used satire to get his point across…it seems to have worked quite well.

Where do you come up with that? Sorry bud, but I’ve been there, my sister dated a man who IS there, and you’re incorrect. The topic isn’t referring to anarchists or communists, or people who use the term “satanist” to scare people. It’s a reference to those who actually worship the devil, which people do. They’re just not so stupid as to print it on their foreheads. The true Satanists will not tell people they’re a Satanist, at least those who take it seriously.

 

[latinmasslover]

Of course I disagree. Protection isn’t given just to the Catholics. There have been nuns and priests possessed by spirits that had to be delivered. They took the sacraments. They were Catholic. Why weren’t they protected since they were attached to the bride of Christ and the sacraments?

I’m the kind of person who sees truth and light in many places as even the CC declares. I believe in ultimate truth. I just don’t believe that you have it all to yourself.

Fa Chan

I never said I had it all to myself. People who are not spiritually guarded get possessed, no matter religion or status. Something else that the Church teaches, is that She has the fullness of truth, and any truth in another religion is already in the Church, so please don’t condemn me for holding to Her teachings.

 

[Fa_Chan]

Believe it or not, I know what I’m talking about, as I was in the seriously in the occult for quite a while and very anti-Catholic. True, not only priests can cast out devils…deliverances can be performed by non priests, but these are dealing with weak demons. In these situations one of two things happened: 1) the demons were very weak and thus it wouldn’t take much to get rid of them, or 2) it was an act, a “false” delievance, done only to keep people from feeling a need to convert. A very religious Protestant pastor tried to deliver a woman who was possessed and the devil only mocked him, because (as the demon said) he has no authority to command him and that the non Catholic prayerbook he was using (which invoked the Name of Jesus several times and appeared to be good and holy, tho. not Catholic) was inspired by him. When the priest began to pray the demon screamed in agony. You could say this was deception on the part of the demon, as they’re not always honest, but that wouldn’t explain why the very intense prayers of the Protestant minister did nothing. The fact is that Jesus chose TWELVE and gave them authority over unclean spirits, and at a later time He commissioned 72 to do *similar *things that He instructed the 12…these commands were not given to all of His followers, only to a select few.

Oh, I know what I’m talking about too. I regularly exorcise demons, usually 3 or more times a week from three people, sometimes more often. I tell them to be silent and they do. I ask Michael, Metatron, Ariel and other angels to assist and they do.

There are different things a person can do to get rid of them. Someone untrained would have a hard time dealing with them. But, with some instruction people can be quite effective. It’s not for everyone. It’s not for the weak minded, timid or quitters. It takes a lot of energy to do this work. Most people just aren’t willing to make that commitment.

I use a combination of worship music, prayer, Bible reading, making the sign of the cross and even the exorcism rite of the Catholic Church. Although I must tell you it is long and takes too much time. It depends on the class of demon and their comfort zone that determines the method that I use.

The Angels of God are always ready to help in these situations, especially the higher class demons. They are difficult, but when I meet a higher class one (and I can tell) then I simply ask for their help. I have different things that work which I can share if someone is interested.

Demons say all kinds of garbage. They tell you you are weak and don’t have authority, blah, blah, blah. It’s all nonsense to get you to stop what you are doing. Their MO is FEAR. If they can manipulate you, make you afraid and threaten you and your family then they have won. I tell them I will cast them out and they say “try it”. “You can’t do it, etc”

Guess what? Minutes later they are gone and the person is back to normal. So much for fear and so much for lack of authority, eh?
I had a higher class demon come through last night. I cast him out too.

I stake no claim that I am a holy person or anything special. I’m a normal person who believes that Christ can do anything. He does the work. He has the power and authority. I would have nothing without Him. All that I can do comes from Him. And I’m not even a priest.

You ever want to trade stories, you let me know.

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Fa_Chan]

I never said I had it all to myself. People who are not spiritually guarded get possessed, no matter religion or status. Something else that the Church teaches, is that She has the fullness of truth, and any truth in another religion is already in the Church, so please don’t condemn me for holding to Her teachings.

I don’t condemn you for holding Her teachings. I don’t accept anyone’s claim that they have the ultimate truth. If you or I or the Catholic Church had absolute truth we would be, well…God.

I respect and admire the Catholic faith a lot. It’s a wonderful faith. I just don’t practice it.

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Abraxsis]

Jesus said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand”.

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Fa Chan

I thought Abe Lincoln said that?

 

[AgnosTheist]

Oh, I know what I’m talking about too. I regularly exorcise demons, usually 3 or more times a week from three people, sometimes more often.

wow. how can you tell if someone is possessed by demons?

 

[Publisher]

Where do you come up with that? Sorry bud, but I’ve been there, my sister dated a man who IS there, and you’re incorrect. The topic isn’t referring to anarchists or communists, or people who use the term “satanist” to scare people. It’s a reference to those who actually worship the devil, which people do. They’re just not so stupid as to print it on their foreheads. The true Satanists will not tell people they’re a Satanist, at least those who take it seriously.

The Anton LaVey Church of Satan does not worship the devil…they don’t believe in a devil…they don’t believe in a God of any kind…humans are the only “God” they have or worship…the most “holy day” is one’s birthday.

I’m sure there are people who worship a deity they call Satan…Michael Aquino split off from the Chruch of Satan and began the Temple of Set, they do worship Set as a “god”, but those who accept the Satanic Bible see it more as a philosophy than a religion…it is a “godless” philosophy which uses Christian symbolism and words…

If you have different experiences with such people, so be it…true “Satanists” do not believe in deity of any kind…that is a Christian fabrication…devil worship is just an abberant Christian sect…One must believe in the Christian God or Christian devil to be a “Satan worshipper”…members of the Church of Satan believe in neither.

 

[AgnosTheist]

One must believe in the Christian God or Christian devil to be a “Satan worshipper”…members of the Church of Satan believe in neither.

that makes perfect sense. i think satanists are just mocking christianity.

 

[Fa_Chan]

Most true Satanists would read the above posts and wet themselves laughing. Satanists “mock” Christianity not because they seek to “mock” those things “holy” but because they are “mocking” the superstition Christians embrace in the Satanists eyes.

Satanists don’t believe in God…the don’t believe in Satan…they don’t believe any of the “relics” are holy be it water, bible, host, chalice.

They have no diabolical underlying reasons…they are true humanists.

Very few…VERY FEW Satanists accept any “deity” of any kind and venerate no objects as “unholy”.

Anton LaVey was a carnie…who saw “good Christians” in the front rows Saturday night and then go confess on Sunday…he saw the powerlessness and superstitious nature of Christianity…it had no power to change lives…at least no lives lived out before him…

He used “Christian words” to build his rituals he termed “psycho drama” to show the foolishness Christians embraced…he saw the church’s fear of things “satanic” and revelled in it…he would laugh and slap his knee to read posts about manifesting demons and satanic attacks from 21st century people.

Not intended to be an indictment but intended to be an explanation. I have read the Satanic Bible, Devil’s Notebook, Satanic Witch, Satanic Rituals by Anton LaVey, plus my brother holds the man’s philosophy in high esteem…Anton LaVey had no religious leanings…he was more of an actor and used satire to get his point across…it seems to have worked quite well.

Of course there are different Satanists. the Lavey followers and the theistic ones. I don’t bother with Lavey folks. The theistic ones would certainly agree with what is being said on this thread. There are Luciferians also that would agree with this thread.

You ever met a theistic Satanist? You’ll change what you think you know.

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Abraxsis]

The real Satanists make a mockery of the Sacraments. The biggest one being (and excuse my graphic language but there is no easy way to put this) that they take the host, a wafer that has been transformed into the body of Christ and they consume it from inside a virgin woman’s sexual organ. The body and blood must be changed by a real Catholic priest for them to perform the ritual. Satanic masses are practiced in this fashion, with each sacrament. Other than that, its basically hedonism with a God, that God being the Devil.

 

[Abraxsis]

Also I forgot…

Nine Satanic Statements. Those are:

1.Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.

2.Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.

3.Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.

4.Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.

5.Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.

6.Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.

7.Satan represents man as just another animal – sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours – who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.

8.Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.

9.Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

Goths are not always satanists, but can be.

Satanism is not related to christian. It is practically an opposite.

 

[Publisher]

Of course there are different Satanists. the Lavey followers and the theistic ones. I don’t bother with Lavey folks. The theistic ones would certainly agree with what is being said on this thread. There are Luciferians also that would agree with this thread.

You ever met a theistic Satanist? You’ll change what you think you know.

Peace…

Fa Chan

Yes I have, I’ve known a member of the Temple of Set when I lived in San Jose, CA…they have a “Temple” there…and maybe it’s just me…but I found nothing diabolical about them at all…they had what a friend of mine calls a bad case of the “religion sickness”, and when they offered to demonstrate their “Setian” power to me, I took them up on it…I didn’t feel so much as a “tingle” of malevolent force…if I were to find small animals dead in my yard I might be concerned…but alas…nothing. I do not have an over active imagination nor do I see demons under every rock or devils around every corner or in every shadow.

 

[latinmasslover]

The Anton LaVey Church of Satan does not worship the devil…they don’t believe in a devil…they don’t believe in a God of any kind…humans are the only “God” they have or worship…the most “holy day” is one’s birthday.

I’m sure there are people who worship a deity they call Satan…Michael Aquino split off from the Chruch of Satan and began the Temple of Set, they do worship Set as a “god”, but those who accept the Satanic Bible see it more as a philosophy than a religion…it is a “godless” philosophy which uses Christian symbolism and words…

If you have different experiences with such people, so be it…true “Satanists” do not believe in deity of any kind…that is a Christian fabrication…devil worship is just an abberant Christian sect…One must believe in the Christian God or Christian devil to be a “Satan worshipper”…members of the Church of Satan believe in neither.

I don’t care what beliefs the Church of Satan holds, I’m referring to Satanists, not those just using the name.

 

[Publisher]

I don’t care what beliefs the Church of Satan holds, I’m referring to Satanists, not those just using the name.

Since “devil worshipers” tend to have no central “let’s get together and sacrifice a goat” organization, I will bow out of this “interesting” discussion of things that go bump in the night and parents use to frighten children with.

 

[RedSoxFan]

Oh, I know what I’m talking about too. I regularly exorcise demons, usually 3 or more times a week from three people, sometimes more often. I tell them to be silent and they do. I ask Michael, Metatron, Ariel and other angels to assist and they do.

There are different things a person can do to get rid of them. Someone untrained would have a hard time dealing with them. But, with some instruction people can be quite effective. It’s not for everyone. It’s not for the weak minded, timid or quitters. It takes a lot of energy to do this work. Most people just aren’t willing to make that commitment.

I use a combination of worship music, prayer, Bible reading, making the sign of the cross and even the exorcism rite of the Catholic Church. Although I must tell you it is long and takes too much time. It depends on the class of demon and their comfort zone that determines the method that I use.

The Angels of God are always ready to help in these situations, especially the higher class demons. They are difficult, but when I meet a higher class one (and I can tell) then I simply ask for their help. I have different things that work which I can share if someone is interested.

Demons say all kinds of garbage. They tell you you are weak and don’t have authority, blah, blah, blah. It’s all nonsense to get you to stop what you are doing. Their MO is FEAR. If they can manipulate you, make you afraid and threaten you and your family then they have won. I tell them I will cast them out and they say “try it”. “You can’t do it, etc”

Guess what? Minutes later they are gone and the person is back to normal. So much for fear and so much for lack of authority, eh?
I had a higher class demon come through last night. I cast him out too.

I stake no claim that I am a holy person or anything special. I’m a normal person who believes that Christ can do anything. He does the work. He has the power and authority. I would have nothing without Him. All that I can do comes from Him. And I’m not even a priest.

You ever want to trade stories, you let me know.

Peace…

Fa Chan

Asking for Michael’s helps makes sense to me. Ariel sounds like a familiar name from Islam maybe? Metatron? Where does that come from? Is he the guardian angel of transformers (kidding)? But seriously where do these other names come from?

 

[Imryl]

Well…

This thread makes me laugh.

I really like how some of you present these things as facts as though you have had some intimate experience with these things.

First and foremost there are several different types of Satanists. And before we go muddying the water this is how most satanists view themselves.

Luciferian - Worship Lucifer, they believe… for the most part that Lucifer encourages self-sufficiency and encouraged man to expand his horizons (knowledge etc). They, for the most part, believe good and evil are split right down the middle, but Lucifer is neither entirely good or evil.

LaVay - They call themselves satanists, but they’re just atheists with another name.

Temple of Set - Worship Satan, but from what I’ve gathered they’re more like pagans. But I’ve never met one of these I’ve just read their site. It’s pretty uninteresting to be honest.

Diabolist - devil-worshipers. Self explanatory.

Satanists (general) - Kids who subscribe to any of the above, but really have no clue. They’re angry, disgruntled, sometimes they’re just smart, who knows… but they rarely stick with any of them for long.

Of course - all satanists can really do whatever they want… some may not fall into any of these categories. It is very individualistic. Either way… these are all ‘satanists’. So try not to quibble over technicalities. It’s obvious the original poster was talking about diabolists.

 

[mozart-250]

It is people like Bob Larsen that have consistently done deliverance work.

I’d be wary of Bob Larsen.

Google “bob larsen fraud” and you will see why.

 

[Imryl]

Well there is the Satanic Bible.

I presume since there is such an entity that satanists read it. But then again, I don’t know much about satanism.

There is a ‘Satanic Bible’. But, correct me if I’m wrong. That’s Church of Satan - Antony LaVey. While I’ve never read the book, I’m assuming it’s more of a philosophy.

There is no book for diabolists.

They also read the Lord’s Prayer backwards and other such nonsense.

That is nonsense.

You know what Satanists hate the most? Bible believing Christians.

Now that’s untrue. No hate, just a challenge.

He hates any religion that promotes love, goodness and compassion. It’s the principle of the thing. They hate the word of God. They hate the mass. They hate prayer.

True. Doesn’t matter what denomination.

They hate a crucifix. They hate holy water. They hate water baptism.

Not so true.

Publisher:

Very few…VERY FEW Satanists accept any “deity” of any kind and venerate no objects as “unholy”.

If you include everything that encompasses ‘satanism’, then you are correct. But just remember, a lot of satanists that do believe and worship the devil (Satan, Lucfier) don’t see him as bad/evil either but they do consider him a god.

 

[Imryl]

The real Satanists make a mockery of the Sacraments. The biggest one being (and excuse my graphic language but there is no easy way to put this) that they take the host, a wafer that has been transformed into the body of Christ and they consume it from inside a virgin woman’s sexual organ.

Superstition. Although when cults are involved, anything is possible I suppose. People do silly things when they get in groups.

Satanic masses are practiced in this fashion, with each sacrament.

I suppose I could understand this if the point were simply to offend God. But you can do that without doing a backward mock sacrament.

Serious question. Where are you all getting your information from?

 

[Fa_Chan]

Fa Chan:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fa Chan
They also read the Lord’s Prayer backwards and other such nonsense.

Imryl:

That is nonsense.

According to the website I linked to earlier from the ex-pagan, it’s true. So, I guess you would have to argue that with her.
Fa Chan:

Quote:
You know what Satanists hate the most? Bible believing Christians.

Imryl:

Now that’s untrue. No hate, just a challenge.

In my worldview God is love and Satan is hate. Whatever God is, Satan is the opposite. And according to my experience with theistic Satanist cults and the demons I have dealt with this is true. So, I don’t know what to tell you.
Fa Chan:

Quote:
They hate a crucifix. They hate holy water. They hate water baptism.

Imryl:

Not so true.

You say not true, but don’t offer a rebuttal, just declare it as fact. Explain to me why this isn’t true. My experience is that when I make the sign of the cross they rebel against it. And as I wear my crucifix or hold it they see it and know it and it makes them uncomfortable. No matter what demon I’ve been in contact with it’s always been the same. I have blessed water and thrown it at them and they revile in disgust. And when one who has been initiated into a Satanic cult blood is taken and put in a book.

When that person renounces Satanism and their connection with him and are baptized into Christ the blood in that book changes color. The pact with the Devil is broken. There have been cases where former occultists are baptized and levitate. Water baptism is part of exorcism. When people are baptized in water it washes away sin and expels evil.

My experiences don’t cover all Satanism as all Christianity is not under the same umbrella. Regardless, the things I have written are true as I have personally experienced them.

I suppose I should clarify that I am speaking of the demons that are possessing the people I work with, not the people themselves when they are under their own influence. I should have made that clear earlier.

Peace…

Fa Chan