Saturday Vigil in the EF

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I was planning to receive communion as part of the Five First Saturday devotion at a local FSSP parish this coming Saturday. Their Mass schedule does not include a Saturday Vigil, but the bulletin says “Youth Group Meeting Saturday December 1, starting with Mass at 5:30pm”. If they are celebrating Mass after 4:00, wouldn’t it count towards my Sunday obligation? They aren’t calling it a vigil Mass.
 
I don’t think so. I believe “Vigil masses” aren’t really “a thing” so to speak in the EF. Maybe there are some exceptions, but for the most part, they aren’t popular.
 
The obligation is fulfilled by attending Mass, any Mass, regardless of form, texts, feast, or rite, on the day of precept or the evening before. It doesn’t matter if they call it a Vigil Mass or not. If you went to Mass on Saturday evening, you fulfilled the obligation.

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giuseppe96 said:
I was planning to receive communion as part of the Five First Saturday devotion at a local FSSP parish this coming Saturday. Their Mass schedule does not include a Saturday Vigil, but the bulletin says “Youth Group Meeting Saturday December 1, starting with Mass at 5:30pm”. If they are celebrating Mass after 4:00, wouldn’t it count towards my Sunday obligation? They aren’t calling it a vigil Mass.
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It depends if it’s a Vigil Mass or not. One will know by the readings at the Mass and the vestments of the priests. If they are the readings for the Saturday of the 34th Week of Ordinary Times and the priests are wearing green vestments, then it will NOT be a vigil Mass for the First Sunday of Advent and it would NOT count towards your Sunday obligation.

On the other hand, if the priests are wearing purple vestments and the readings are for the 1st Sunday Advent, then it’s indeed a Vigil Mass and it will count for your Sunday obligation (but then it wouldn’t count for your First Saturday devotion).
 
But I thought that one simply needed to receive communion on the First Saturday (including the other requisites) not a Saturday daily Mass.
 
Yes. A Vigil Mass on Saturday would suffice for the First Saturday devotion.
 
So to clarify: attending this EF Mass, regardless of the readings and vestments, would fulfill my Sunday obligation?
 
Yes it would. Attending any Mass, regardless of rite, form, music, texts, language, or anything like that, on either the day of precept or the evening before, fulfills the obligation.
 
That’s good to know. Thank you, Father. God bless you.
 
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Yes. I know specifically with regards to the Easter vigil, the reason it “counts” is becuase the idea is that the mass begins at midnight, so it begins on Easter Sunday. I don’t know too much about the Pentecost Vigil though.
 
Canon 1247
On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass; they are also to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord’s Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body.
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Canon 1248
  1. The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day.
  2. If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the liturgy of the word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families.
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A Mass celebrated on a Saturday evening at 5.30 p.m. fulfils the Sunday Obligation.

Our obligation is to go to a celebration of the Eucharist and we can fulfil it at any time on the Sunday or on the Saturday evening. Anything after 4.00 p.m. definitely satisfies that.

It can be EF Roman Rite, OF Roman Rite or any other rite of the Roman Catholic Church or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy of an Eastern Catholic Church. As long as it is in one of the Catholic churches in full communion with the Holy Father your obligation is satisfied.
 
TomH1 said:
Anything after 4.00 p.m. definitely satisfies that.
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What about 3pm? I stood up for a wedding scheduled for 3pm but it was very late in starting pushing the regular vespere Mass back. Someone asked the priest and he told us the Nuptial Mass counted to fulfill the obligation.
 
ProVobis said:
Someone asked the priest and he told us the Nuptial Mass counted to fulfill the obligation.
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Question asked and answered, I would say.

There’s a perennial case that pops up on here about the 2pm Saturday in Las Vegas (or used to be - do they still have that?) wherein the bishop said it met the Sunday obligation. Then, all of the CAF ‘experts’ (like me!) would chime in arguing away.

I’d say if you have a competent authority (pastor or bishop) giving an answer, there’s not much point in further pondering.
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
the 2pm Saturday in Las Vegas (or used to be - do they still have that?) wherein the bishop said it met the Sunday obligation
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It’s at 2:30 and, according to the bulletin, they received an “indult” from the Vatican back in 1988 for that to be a Mass that would fulfill the Sunday obligation.

Dan
 
phil19034 said:
For example: this one EF parish in New Jersey offers the Sunday liturgy on Saturday evening.
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Its not surprising that this church offers Latin Mass on Saturday evening, but it really isn’t that “traditional” to have it be the Sunday propers, is it?

Of course back in traditional times, I think Saturday (morning) mass was fairly popular.
 
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