Saudi man kills daughter for converting to Christianity

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Saudi man kills daughter for converting to Christianity

By Mariam Al Hakeem, Correspondent
Published: August 12, 2008, 18:34

Riyadh: A Saudi man working with the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice recently killed his daughter for converting to Christianity.

According to sources close to the victim, the religious police member had cut the tongue of the girl and burned her to death following a heated debate on religion.

Saudi religious scholars have frequently warned against the dangers of Christian internet websites and satellite TV channels which attract Muslim youngsters to change their religion.

They decreed that watching these channels or browsing these websites which call for conversion to Christianity by various means is against the teachings of Islam.

But that only shows once more how weak and insecure the mohammedan faith is. Poor girl! RIP.
 
Didnt the Catholic church come out against The Dark materials by Philip Pullman ?

The pope not so long ago informed Catholics to destroy Protestant bibles.

Does that go to show how weak the Catholic Faith is? No, They want to protect the youth and the uniformed from what they believe is a lie, the same way the church does.
 
This is what I would clasify as a Martyr. Not to worry I’m sure she is all smiles now with tongue intact. I pray that her witness softens the heart of her father bringing him also to Christ.

It is interesting to think about the difference between a Christian Martyr and a muslim martyr. One dies at the hands of another witnesses to their faith, while the other dies by his own hands at the same time as killing other people!

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Polaris said:
Didnt the Catholic church come out against The Dark materials by Philip Pullman ? I would love to read about this, please provide any info where I can read this.

The pope not so long ago informed Catholics to destroy Protestant bibles. hmmm? please provide proof of this accusation?

Does that go to show how weak the Catholic Faith is? No, They want to protect the youth and the uniformed from what they believe is a lie, the same way the church does.
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This I’m still trying to think how to respond to your obvious lack of the prohibition of all other religions in Saudi Arabia. All I can say it is not even close to the same!
 
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Polaris said:
Didnt the Catholic church come out against The Dark materials by Philip Pullman ?

The pope not so long ago informed Catholics to destroy Protestant bibles.

Does that go to show how weak the Catholic Faith is? No, They want to protect the youth and the uniformed from what they believe is a lie, the same way the church does.
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The Catholic Leage is not “the Catholic Church”, and if so, what of it? Pullman’s works were largely anti-religious, but specifically anti Catholic.

Are you conflating killing an apostate with critizing works of fiction?

Death for male apostates is supported by every major school of Islamic jurisprudence, but I think some just call for imprisonment of female ones. Its not something I’d applaud, in any faith
 
One of our missionary priests from Africa told the horrible story of one his fellow missionaries, who baptized a Muslim woman into the Catholic faith, not only did her family kill her but also the priest who administered the baptism. Both are martyrs, living in God’s heavenly kingdom for sure.
 
Polaris said:
Didnt the Catholic church come out against The Dark materials by Philip Pullman ?

The pope not so long ago informed Catholics to destroy Protestant bibles.

Does that go to show how weak the Catholic Faith is? No, They want to protect the youth and the uniformed from what they believe is a lie, the same way the church does.
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Please provide your sources for these allegations----
 
prodigal-sun said:
This is what I would clasify as a Martyr. Not to worry I’m sure she is all smiles now with tongue intact. I pray that her witness softens the heart of her father bringing him also to Christ.

It is interesting to think about the difference between a Christian Martyr and a muslim martyr. One dies at the hands of another witnesses to their faith, while the other dies by his own hands at the same time as killing other people!

😦
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According to the Declarations of the Catholic Church she is not necessarily in paradise.

The most Holy Catholic Church frimly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in eternal life; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can receive an eternal recompence for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.

~Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1438-1445, from the Papal Bull Cantate Domino, 1441 AD.

So the question need be asked “Was she Catholic”?
 
Polaris said:
Didnt the Catholic church come out against The Dark materials by Philip Pullman ?

The pope not so long ago informed Catholics to destroy Protestant bibles.

Does that go to show how weak the Catholic Faith is? No, They want to protect the youth and the uniformed from what they believe is a lie, the same way the church does.
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Please give a reference where the Pope said to destroy protestant bibles, first I have heard of that.

I need to understand what you are saying…You are saying that you are protecting the youth by killing them if they don’t believe as you? And you are also saying that the Catholic Church does that?

Please clarify what you are saying.
 
Sister_Amy said:
xrdarabia.org/2008/08/13/saudi-kills-daughter-for-leaving-islam → This is a blog about all things Saudi, which is operated by an American former foreign service officer, who is NOT a Muslim. It’s read by many people (Saudis and otherwise) interested in KSA, so it’d be a good place to watch for more news on the subject.

This is really sad, I think, and I hope that whoever is responsible doesn’t get away with it.
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Since he is a member of the “Religious Police”:eek: I’ll bet he decides not to arrest himself!

Peace!👍
 
prodigal-sun said:
This I’m still trying to think how to respond to your obvious lack of the prohibition of all other religions in Saudi Arabia. All I can say it is not even close to the same!
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Here is a way to the source:

newsandcurrents.com/news/2007/12/vatican-blasts-golden-compass-as-godless-and-hopel.html

Im not saying the Catholic church is wrong, im saying that her/his comment about the weakness of the islamic way, is wrong. I can understand why the Islam says the internet is a bad influence in their eyes and it has nothing to do with the so called weakness of there faith, they want to protect there children who are uniformed at that age from being led a stray and to prevent their…damnation, for lack of a better word.

Also freedom of Religion is a relatively new concept even to the Catholic church. They at one time supported the oppresion of other religions or heresies to protect the 'simple" people.

I think we have to understand that not every one on this earth is living in the same time period of moral development or civil standards. We cant expect everyone to be like the western world. The Islamic culture is still very much living in an Old Testament mind set, where parents had the right to kill there disobedient children. It was not wrong then and its not wrong now.

Also imagine how much faith you have to have, to kill your daughter for your God. These are human beings just like you and me with the same emotions, I would not be able to do it, but he loved his God more than his family. I think that God is smiling upon both of them right now.
 
It’s hard to wrap my mind around stuff like this. Islam needs to drop the Dark Age mentality immediately.
The Islamic culture is still very much living in an Old Testament mind set, where parents had the right to kill there disobedient children. It was not wrong then and its not wrong now.
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That is crazy talk.
 
prodigal-sun said:
Since he is a member of the “Religious Police”:eek: I’ll bet he decides not to arrest himself!

Peace!👍
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I’m sorry, but what exactly did you intend to convey with this comment?

The religious police equals 1 man? When policemen in your country commit crimes are they not held to account?

Moreover, there are also legal authorities in Saudi Arabia that are not the muttaween so really I don’t know what you think you’re on to. This is a very serious issue, and should be addressed without mocking or making jokes.
 
chrisb said:
According to the Declarations of the Catholic Church she is not necessarily in paradise.

The most Holy Catholic Church frimly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in eternal life; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can receive an eternal recompence for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.

~Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1438-1445, from the Papal Bull Cantate Domino, 1441 AD.

So the question need be asked “Was she Catholic”?
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Anyone who is baptized using the Trinitarian form “baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt” is automatically Catholic even if they were baptized by an atheist. In fact according to the catechism, all Christians who have been baptized using the trinitarian form, are members of the Catholic church, however they are considered as separated. If this woman had no knowledge of the Catholic church, was baptized using the Trinitarian form, and to the best of her ability AND knowledge lived a sin free life, then we can take solace in the idea that our God being merciful accepted her into His fold and she walks among the Saints.
 
Sister_Amy said:
I’m sorry, but what exactly did you intend to convey with this comment?

The religious police equals 1 man? When policemen in your country commit crimes are they not held to account?

Moreover, there are also legal authorities in Saudi Arabia that are not the muttaween so really I don’t know what you think you’re on to. This is a very serious issue, and should be addressed without mocking or making jokes.
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The irony of the situation must be lost upon you.

Yes, this is a very serious issue, which side do you fall upon? Do you go against all major Sunni and Shi’a schools of fiqh?
 
gelsbern said:
Anyone who is baptized using the Trinitarian form “baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt” is automatically Catholic even if they were baptized by an atheist. In fact according to the catechism, all Christians who have been baptized using the trinitarian form, are members of the Catholic church, however they are considered as separated. If this woman had no knowledge of the Catholic church, was baptized using the Trinitarian form, and to the best of her ability AND knowledge lived a sin free life, then we can take solace in the idea that our God being merciful accepted her into His fold and she walks among the Saints.
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So the Catechism of the Catholic Church contradicts what it “frimly believes, professes, and preaches”?

I’m glad to hear that.
 
scipio337 said:
Catechism trumps Bulla.
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Note the language, this Pope was not merely stating a perisonal opinion but he was speaking on behalf of the Holy Catholic Church. Seems an argument could be made he spoke ‘ex cathedra’. 😊
 
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