Saudi School's Books Racist

[Booklover]

LAHORE: A Saudi-run school in London uses textbooks that describe Jews as monkeys and Christians as pigs, according to a report in The Guardian that cited papers filed with an employment tribunal by a former teacher.

Teaching materials used at the King Fahd school in Acton, west London – translated from Arabic – say Jews “engage in witchcraft and sorcery and obey the Satan”, and invite pupils to “name some repugnant characteristics of Jews” and give examples of “worthless religions”, such as Judaism and Christianity. The report quoted Colin Cook (57), a** British convert to Islam who**
**taught English at the school for 19 years until he was dismissed last December, as saying that pupils had been heard saying they wanted to “kill Americans, 9/11 is good, and Osama is a hero”. **

He is claiming a £100,000 compensation for unfair dismissal and race discrimination. The school was originally set up to educate children of Arab diplomats, but most of its 750 pupils are now British Muslims. It teaches Wahhabism. Cook’s solicitor, Lawrence Davies, said he was taking the “extraordinary step” of issuing a statement because British pupils were being put at risk. daily times monitor

dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%between%2%between%7\story_7-2-2007_pg7_40

More from the religion of “peace”! Why are the British allowing such things to go on?

 

[Kaninchen]

The school would appear to have taken action:

guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2007855,00.html

 

[Montalban]

LAHORE: A Saudi-run school in London uses textbooks that describe Jews as monkeys and Christians as pigs, according to a report in The Guardian that cited papers filed with an employment tribunal by a former teacher.

Was that book called “The Koran”?

62: 5 The likeness of those who were entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is as the likeness of a donkey who carries huge burdens of books (but understands nothing from them). How bad is the example (or the likeness) of people who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah. And Allah guides not the people who are Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, disbelievers, etc.).

2:96 says that they are the greediest people…
And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who - ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

2:61 says that al-lah stamped wrtechedness upon them.
4:61 Says that they (and Christians) believe in idols
5:52 they are cursed.

Note: animal analogies are used a number of times
Sabbath breakers are said to be like monkeys
2: 65 And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.”
2: 66 So We made this punishment an example to their own and to succeeding generations and a lesson to those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

5:93 the Jews are cursed
5:51 don’t take a Jew as a friend
5:53 Jews (and Christians) are losers
5:57 Don’t choose Jews, (or Christians, or disbelievers) as guardians
5:59 Jews (and Christians) are evil-doers
5:63 Rabbis do evil

 

[Kaninchen]

Was that book called “The Koran”?

Wouldn’t be that different from the New Testament (it would seem) for us “accursed” Jews, then.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=130289

Exactly.

 

[Montalban]

Wouldn’t be that different from the New Testament (it would seem) for us “accursed” Jews, then.

Yes, it would be. There’s a difference between a Jew making comments about Jews and a Moslem making comments about Jews, for starters.

Exactly.

What point were you trying to make?

 

[Kaninchen]

Yes, it would be. There’s a difference between a Jew making comments about Jews and a Moslem making comments about Jews, for starters.

That rather begs the question of just who wrote it and why. Inevitably, you’d have one answer, while I’d have quite another.

YWhat point were you trying to make?

Perhaps my point would have been better made with

 

[Montalban]

That rather begs the question of just who wrote it and why. Inevitably, you’d have one answer, while I’d have quite another.
Perhaps my point would have been better made with

Indeed it would, because so far you’ve not made any point accept to *suggest *a possible relativist argument.

You’ve not shown that the two sets of comments are the same. But you at least (almost by way of innuendo) allude to it.

So far, no point has been made. The best you’ve done here is to ask a vague and seemingly rhetorical question - unless you want me to prove it for you?

Can you show that they’re the same thing? Use smilies, if you think it helps; by all means do!

Also the ‘evidence’ you present is an entire thread’s page. Somewhere on that page is some proof that may be relevant to your argument. That’s very convincing stuff. I guess you want me to wade through that to find the support for the argument you don’t really know whether you’re making or not:thumbsup:

For the record I didn’t find what evidence you suggest migh be there, but I’ve an inkling of what it might refer given that I’ve had a relativist argument put to me on this issue in the past. However I’d like to see what your evidence is, rather than just go by what I presume it is. If you can narrow it down to a particular post, at least, that would be groovy.

 

[Kaninchen]

Indeed it would, because so far you’ve not made any point accept to *suggest *a possible relativist argument.

I merely pointed out that Jews are given a hard time by both the Koran and the NT. Please explain how that is relativist?

You’ve not shown that the two sets of comments are the same. But you at least (almost by way of innuendo) allude to it.

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‘Accursed Christ-killing vipers’ is different from ‘despised monkeys’, I’ll admit. You may consider the difference to be significant.

So far, no point has been made. The best you’ve done here is to ask a vague and seemingly rhetorical question - unless you want me to prove it for you?

I’m sorry if it seemed vague to you.

Can you show that they’re the same thing? Use smilies, if you think it helps; by all means do!

I can’t show vipers to be the same as monkeys, I’ll agree, though they did have a very, very distant common ancestor.

Meanwhile, you started the smilies to help your argument, so I thought you needed them or something.

Also the ‘evidence’ you present is an entire thread’s page. Somewhere on that page is some proof that may be relevant to your argument. That’s very convincing stuff. I guess you want me to wade through that to find the support for the argument you don’t really know whether you’re making or not:thumbsup:

The thread merely showed evidence of a kind of thinking. If you can cut and paste from the Koran, I can link to a thread.

For the record I didn’t find what evidence you suggest migh be there, but I’ve an inkling of what it might refer given that I’ve had a relativist argument put to me on this issue in the past.

Wow.

 

[Booklover]

The school would appear to have taken action:

guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2007855,00.html

Quote:
“She said the controversy had arisen from the misinterpretation of the material, which was based on the Qur’an. “I** would like to make it clear that the controversial pages within the books are not taught within the academy,” she said.”**

I don’t buy that! That’s a typical example of taqqiya! Muslims will lie their heads off to protect Islam!

They probably decided to claim that because people got fed up and were vocal about it!

Another quote from the article:

**"One local shop had put up a sign saying pupils from the school were not welcome and a passerby had shouted abuse at a parent waiting outside the school gate. **
"The local MP called me and said he was very concerned about the safety of the children and asked if we would like him to send extra police around the area. "The safety of staff, children and parents is the highest priority for us," she said."

As you can see, those fed up people did not use violence in their approach.

What about the safety of the non-Muslim public? Would Muslims have just used “words” to express their displeasure if it had been a criticism of Islam?

Vickie

 

[meedo]

Hello ,

Just before any body starts believing that the Quran calls Jews Monkeys

It doesnt.

The verse you are referring to is the people who were ‘‘among’’ a villiage of jews by the sea that decided to manipulate the shabbat . By throwing the nets for the fish to catch on friday befroe sunset and collecting the nets saturday after dusk .

The people of this villiage were devided into 3 sections

1- People who refused to take part in this and scolded the sinners

2- People who didnt care and did nothing

3- the sinners

God talks about how he saved the ''Rightuous jews ‘’ ( the first section) and threw a curse of bieng pigs and monkeys on the sinners and people who didnt care about sin bieng prevailent in their community.

So excuse me , but before you judge the Quran you should ask a muslim.

The punishment above didnt come because God hated jews but he punished sinners who didnt care about his laws . He did that many times .

here are the verses in complete,

007.163
YUSUFALI: Ask them concerning the town standing close by the sea. Behold! they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. For on the day of their Sabbath their fish did come to them, openly holding up their heads, but on the day they had no Sabbath, they came not: thus did We make a trial of them, for they were given to transgression.
PICKTHAL: Ask them (O Muhammad) of the township that was by the sea, how they did break the Sabbath, how their big fish came unto them visibly upon their Sabbath day and on a day when they did not keep Sabbath came they not unto them. Thus did We try them for that they were evil-livers.
SHAKIR: And ask them about the town which stood by the sea; when they exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, when their fish came to them on the day of their Sabbath, appearing on the surface of the water, and on the day on which they did not keep the Sabbath they did not come to them; thus did We try them because they transgressed.

007.164
YUSUFALI: When some of them said: “Why do ye preach to a people whom Allah will destroy or visit with a terrible punishment?”- said the preachers:" To discharge our duty to your Lord, and perchance they may fear Him."
PICKTHAL: And when a community among them said: Why preach ye to a folk whom Allah is about to destroy or punish with an awful doom, they said: In order to be free from guilt before your Lord, and that haply they may ward off (evil).
SHAKIR: And when a party of them said: Why do you admonish a with a severe chastisement? They said: To be free from blame before your Lord, and that haply they may guard (against evil).

007.165
YUSUFALI: When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, **We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression. **PICKTHAL: And when they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We rescued those who forbade wrong, and visited those who did wrong with dreadful punishment because they were evil-livers.
SHAKIR: So when they neglected what they had been reminded of, We delivered those who forbade evil and We overtook those who were unjust with an evil chastisement because they transgressed.

007.166
YUSUFALI: When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”
PICKTHAL: So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed!
SHAKIR: Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.

any questions?

salam

 

[chosen_people]

Hera are some quotes from the koran:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

source: jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/koranjews.html

 

[George_Waters]

So excuse me , but before you judge the Quran you should ask a muslim.

any questions?

news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94224

meedo, you claim the Quran does not say all Jews are pigs, but only certain Jews and that we should ask a Muslim. From what I have read and from you have provided it does seem the whole pig thing is labeling only specific Jews.

Unfortunately for you case Sheikh Feiz Mohammed, the head of the Global Islamic Youth Center was caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. So here we have one Muslim saying the Quran doesn’t say that all Jews are pigs and a Sheikh making no distinction between a particular group of sinful Jews and all Jews. The Sheikh’s urgings for little jihadist to kill Jews also seems to cast serious doubt on the claim that Islam is a religion of peace.

What are we to believe meedo? We oft hear there is only one Islam, but there seem to be at least two mutually exclusive interpretation of what is the one true Islam. One peaceful one violent. It seems Muslims need to sort out their faith and let the rest of us know if we can live in peace with you as brothers and sisters or need to prepare for unrestricted war against you as mortal foes.

 

[cestusdei]

There are 2 Islams:

1. What they really believe.
2. What they say they believe when you catch them calling you a monkey.

 

[Montalban]

I merely pointed out that Jews are given a hard time by both the Koran and the NT. Please explain how that is relativist?

By attempting to show that they’re similar, or ‘r-e-l-a-t-i-v-e’ to each other. I hope the smilies don’t distract you from that salient point. They seem to be as you keep wanting to raise them as an issue.

"‘Accursed Christ-killing vipers’ is different from ‘despised monkeys’, I’ll admit. You may consider the difference to be significant.

And you may consider them the same, and don’t bother to show this, and to pretend it’s not an attempt to do so (ie. a relativist argument.) LOL!

Although you don’t want to show how they’re the same, and the onus is for you to prove your point, I’m quite happy to show you how they’re different… once you show where you got this quote of yours from. That thread has subsequently grown and you linked only the first page.

I’m sorry if it seemed vague to you.

No problem. I’m happy to deal with your posts despite their shortcomings. I understand that the ‘evidence-lite’ approach is popular with some.

The thread merely showed evidence of a kind of thinking. If you can cut and paste from the Koran, I can link to a thread.

You’ve linked to a thread that doesn’t mention vipers (on the page you cited) which seems to be evidence you’ve obtained from your own imaginings. I had asked you to provide evidence from that thread, as you cite it as if it itself is evidence.

Wow.

Indeed, you’ve still managed not to make a point!

In short you offer a relativist argument, then deny you’re not. You want to cite evidence as an entire thread. I ask you where in the thread and you come up with a quote not in that thread. And the smilies do distract you. I’ve minimised their use this post because it’s taking you away from something you might want to be doing - constructing an argument based on evidence.

 

[Montalban]

Hello ,

Just before any body starts believing that the Quran calls Jews Monkeys

It doesnt.

any questions?

salam

So your argument is it calls *another *group of non-Moslems monkeys?

 

[Kaninchen]

In short you offer a relativist argument, then deny you’re not. You want to cite evidence as an entire thread. I ask you where in the thread and you come up with a quote not in that thread. And the smilies do distract you. I’ve minimised their use this post because it’s taking you away from something you might want to be doing - constructing an argument based on evidence.

My goodness!

I’m obviously nowhere in your league in argument and better give up before it becomes even more difficult to keep up with you.

 

[Montalban]

My goodness!

I’m obviously nowhere in your league in argument and better give up before it becomes even more difficult to keep up with you.

All I want is a discussion based on evidence. Start with any verse/passage/opinion you think that’s comparable to those in the Koran. And state where you found it, or who said it.

To show you I’m interested in discussion based on evidence, I provide this here…

The Koranic verses I cited, which you think are just taken out of context are seen by Moslems to be the unalterable word of their god al-lah.

The verses in the Koran range from those urging Moslems not to take Jews and Moslems as (close) friends, to more severe ones. Here’s one of the former…
Surah

Al-'Imran (The Family of Imran)
Ayah [118]
O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.

Rather than just leave this as a verse from the Koran by itself, let’s look at what Moslems themselves say about this issue…

It is not permissible for a Muslim man or woman to take a male or female friend who is not a Muslim, because Allaah has forbidden us to love the kuffaar or take them as close friends and companions

islamqa.com/index.php?ref=69876&ln=eng

Question :

In the Quraan, it says that we can not take the Kuffaar as awliyaa, but what does that mean? I mean, to what degree? Can we do business with them still? If I’m at school, can we play basketball with them? Can we talk to them about basketball and stuff? Can we hang out with them as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves? The reason I ask is because someone I know does hang out with them in this way and it doesn’t affect his beliefs, but I still tell him, “Why don’t you hang out with the muslims instead?” He says that most or many of the Muslims drink and take drugs where they hang out and they have girlfriends and he’s afraid that the sins of the Muslims will lure him, yet he’s sure that the Kufr of the Kaafirs will not lure him because that’s something that isn’t attractive to him. So is hanging out with them, playing sports with them, and talking with them about sports considered as “taking them as awliyaa instead of the believers” keeping in mind that he is doing that for his own eemaan?.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends, and He has issued a stern warning against doing that.

islamqa.com/index.php?ref=59879&ln=eng

You’re not even considered a ‘brother’ of a Muslim

"Question: Does not brotherhood extend to all of mankind because it is established that Aadam was the forefather of everyone?

Response: This is not so. There is no doubt that everyone is from the offspring of Aadam but we do not say, “This is my brother,” when referring to a disbeliever meaning by that within the brotherhood of man. We can only refer to him as brother when there is a relationship by descent or lineage.

fatwa-online.com/fataawa/muslimminorities/0000920_5.htm

 

[George_Waters]

There are 2 Islams:

1. What they really believe.
2. What they say they believe when you catch them calling you a monkey.

Thank you for making me laugh and reinforcing the fact that Islam seems to be whatever any Muslim wants it to be. I have so often tried to get a Muslim to explain to me how two mutually exclusively Islams can exist and all I hear is “western media bias” my own lack of understanding, etc., etc… You hit the nail on the head my friend!

 

[LDNCatholic]

The school has taken action and withdrawn the textbooks once the content was brought to light

 

[cestusdei]

But I will bet the ideas remain and will be taught.