I don’t watch much TV at all and when I do it is usually public TV, nor do I get the local paper so most of my news comes from National Public Radio. They seem to do a pretty good job on presenting issues fairly. I have not seen the media bias I have so often heard about. In fact a children’s show on the public TV station was teaching kids to say “Hello” in Arabic a couple of days ago. It is ironic that some Muslims claim our media is slandering them and Islam while many Americans are claiming the media is soft on terrorist and painting things with a very liberal brush. Any bias I have gained has not been from the media at all, but from Muslim posters on this forum and from Muslim terrorists committing crimes in the name of Islam. I am sure some of you will think I am naïve or perhaps lying, but there it is.
My question is this: Why on every Friday is there televised an Iman(sp?) calling Jews animals and calling for our destruction?
When you say this, are you trying to imply that the Christian and Jewish bible is in any way, shape, or form kinder to those of other religions or that we have a history of more tolerance?Was that book called “The Koran”?
Well, that’s because you were silent on the Priests convicted of genocide. That’s right, I heard about a Priest convicted for participating in genocide just this year…he was using his Church to lure in refugees so he could have them all killed.
Amazing…one single Priest kills almost as many people as were killed in the september 11th attacks, and I can’t find one single sentence of outrage on this board.
I have stated evidence from the Koran which is not consistent with peace. Although you wish to have a relativist argument here (by wishing to compare the verses of the respective holy books), I invite you to do so. If you’ve any from the Bible you think are relevant to Christians in how we should act today, please set them down for all to see.
You assume that everyone here is American, excepting yourself… or that only Americans have a view of Islam close to the truth.
I’m outraged. You are rather selective however, because in the past I’ve spoken about priests who helped war-criminals escape justice from Yugoslavia. Maybe you missed that, or perhaps it’s easy to pretend that Christians aren’t concerned about injustice where-ever it has happened. But selective arguments seem to be the way for apologists for Islam.
I’ll be happy to show causation according to your own method.
See how easily people can turn this game against Christianity?
This’ll be a first.
(I don’t know why you continue with American spelling as you say you live here) But…
Excepting (and I’ll use one of your Islamic terms) that has been abrogated by Christ’s message.
For you, it would be at best an argument that raises the following accusation; “Look! The bible commandED people to kill”.
You shall. There’s no past tense there. This is a clear “law of God” in the bible…maybe you think it’s for a specific time and place, but if you can interpret plainly infinitive command language to be limited in scope, then why can’t Muslims do the same?
Look at the post I wrote above re: ‘abrogation’. You must have missed this in your effort to post this.
If Moslems want to practice their faith with the belief that the call to jihad is over, more power to them.
Really? That’s not what it says. Read the chapter. I would like to see one single piece of text that indicates this. I’d find that hard to believe, considering that the chapter explicitly refers to any city where this happens.Look at the post I wrote above re: ‘abrogation’. You must have missed this in your effort to post this.
He was talking to the Jews about cities that they would posess. They then went on to do this. Then they possessed them. Then it’s finished.
Yeah, I’ve shown just as much causality as you’ve shown for violence involving Muslims. I quoted a piece of the bible that unequivocally commands followers of God (Jesus) to kill all nonbelievers, even if it’s your own brother.
Sure, let’s go over modern Islamic thinkers. First, let’s settle who it is that is representative of the field…who do you consider to be a modern Islamic thinker?
Just because it’s you, I’ll go over this one more time. Jesus abrogated it.
Although you’ve not proven your first point, I’m more than happy to move on. We’ve already seen what the leading Australian cleric has said about the Jews on other threads. Does he count? Of course the blaringly obvious is you’ve not addressed ANY of the opinion I’ve already cited on this thread. As noted you’ve a bad record when it comes to dealing with evidence other than selectively.
Please provide the quote. Show me where Jesus says “the Old Testament isn’t true. God didn’t command those things.”Just because it’s you, I’ll go over this one more time. Jesus abrogated it.
Try again.
Uh, no. That’s like taking a “leading Nicaraguan preacher” as representative of Christian theology. Try to pick someone who actually a) Writes on theology and b) Is known for Islamic scholarship.
This is silly, even for you.
He’s the leading Moslem in Australia. And, as noted you’ve still not acknowledge ANY of the evidence in this thread AT ALL.
Yeah, in a specific context. Did he say “the old laws are gone, don’t worry about it?”
Yeah, but Australia a) Is a tiny country that doesn’t represent much of anyone in the world besides Australians and b) isn’t exactly known for its schools of Islamic theology.
What specific context? As you ‘challenge’ me, show me the context.
He did say he’s here to form a new covenant.
When we are younger our parents allow different behaviour than when we’re older. Spiritually mature - and we get a more mature message. You’ve still not been able to show that Christians believe that we should (as the Jews were commanded here) go out an take over these cities (which is your specific example).
That’s not the point on a number of levels
As noted you’ve not dealt with ANY of the evidence I cited above. (HINT post #17) or are you saying that all those sites are in South Africa, and Australia and as a result, they don’t count?