Saved from what?

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I have a question of all of you…

Have you been saved and if so what were you saved from?

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Syele said:
I was saved from eternal separation from God. That would be one kind of punishment.
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That would be the worst kind of punishment. If that is indeed our punishment who meets it out?

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Christians are saved… from their own hands.

‘Hell’ is but a word we use to describe the loneliness, the bitterness, the hatred, the scorn, and the pain that sin causes, the things which ensare us and, without God’s grace, would continue to do so even past bodily death. Hell is anywhere (even the Garden of Paradise!) that God is not. It is anywhere but the embrace of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is what we do to ourselves…

‘Heaven’ is what God has done* for* us. Heaven is resting in the arms of Our Savior. He is our Heaven, to touch and to know him, our Salvation.

This is my understanding in light of the Church’s teaching.

Peace
 
josephdaniel29 said:
That would be the worst kind of punishment. If that is indeed our punishment who meets it out?

Yours in Christ
Joe
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God gives us a choice NOW will we Choose Him or not. at judgment, that decision is revealed. (We do not decide at Judgment by then it decided already.) God simply sends us to the eternity that we chose.
 
josephdaniel29 said:
That would be the worst kind of punishment. If that is indeed our punishment who meets it out?

Yours in Christ
Joe
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As the previous poster said, we choose. That is what this life here on earth is all about. Choosing where we will be in eternity. One of our previous priests used to say, “We are immortal creatures on a mortal journey.” We are already immortal. This isn’t something that happens when we shuffle off this mortal coil and if we have been ‘good’, we receive eternal life and go to heaven and those who weren’t just cease to exist.

If you want to be with God in heaven, you need to choose to be with Him NOW. Those who choose not to be with God now will have their choice honoured and they will be without God for eternity. I cannot imagine anything worse.
 
Linda_Marie said:
As the previous poster said, we choose. That is what this life here on earth is all about. Choosing where we will be in eternity. One of our previous priests used to say, “We are immortal creatures on a mortal journey.” We are already immortal. This isn’t something that happens when we shuffle off this mortal coil and if we have been ‘good’, we receive eternal life and go to heaven and those who weren’t just cease to exist.

If you want to be with God in heaven, you need to choose to be with Him NOW. Those who choose not to be with God now will have their choice honoured and they will be without God for eternity. I cannot imagine anything worse.
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I have to say the answers I’ve gotten so far haven’t been what I expected. Your typical Protestant will give a very different answer.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Joseph…Joseph…Josheph…
Not all protestants are the same. If you took the sum of some of the Protestant beleives you’d have a subset of Catholicism.

Church of Christ - baptism is not an option, believers baptism, it is a necesity. save by grace through faith, not by works, however; faith without works is dead; one man one woman in marriage for life, divorce is on through one of the scriptural means given as they interpret differently, reject premilinialism, Elders lead and appoint preacher and deacons. No instramental music.Trinitarian formula baptism is required. Christian only, reject denominations, claim to be the one true church that Jesus founded. Married into it.

Baptist - saved by grace, once save always saved, premilinialism, believers baptism, some say its required, others say not, some used trinitarian formula, some do not think it matters. Extended family, used to go to both a Baptist Church and a Catholic Church growing up. Summers spend all in Catholic only. Steubi U was great retreat and where I “found Jesus” so to speak. Fell in love with Christ.

Pentecostal - Spirit filled, baptism is similar to baptists, some do not hold to trinitarian God, some do. Tounges, miricles. Always a bit skeptical how this played out. I’ve experienced real miricales…like daughter’s leg, wife’s conversion to Catholicism form first, my reversion, etc. Visions, life saved so many times, but I have a fondness for “holiness” churches. I was involved in the Charismatic Renewal growing up.

Episcipalian - very similar to Catholicism. valid ordinations do not exist, I’ve heard rumors that some might have, depends. Liturgical worship, confessional optional, Eucharist real presence is optional to not believe, etc. Older brother married into this. I went to a mass there once not realizing it was Episcapalian… even at brothers wedding. Head in the clouds I guess. It’s very close.

I have experience in first 3. Non-denominational as well. Mom’s family started a non-denom many generations ago, before she met my dad.

So realize that there are many different beliefs among all of these groups. I always thought that for a fundamentalist group my wife’s family was the most correct. Obviously that mindset has changed now that I’ve dug deeper in the word and learned about the early church fathers. Always learning.
 
Syele said:
God gives us a choice NOW will we Choose Him or not. at judgment, that decision is revealed. (We do not decide at Judgment by then it decided already.) God simply sends us to the eternity that we chose.
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Dosen’t God send us to one of two eternities he allows, after creating us?

I don’t see however you can reduce this to fully our choices, we never asked to be created, nor to have immortal souls.

That’s kind of like droping a rat in a cage with cheese in the center but no other food present, and saying if he lives it’s by his abilities, if he starves it’s by his abilities, either way I’m not responsiable isin’t it?
 
panoikei said:
Joseph…Joseph…Josheph…
Not all protestants are the same. If you took the sum of some of the Protestant beleives you’d have a subset of Catholicism.
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True but you can make some generalizations. Almost invariably a Protestant will tell you that you are saved from the wrath of God.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
IvanKaramozov said:
Dosen’t God send us to one of two eternities he allows, after creating us?

I don’t see however you can reduce this to fully our choices, we never asked to be created, nor to have immortal souls.

That’s kind of like droping a rat in a cage with cheese in the center but no other food present, and saying if he lives it’s by his abilities, if he starves it’s by his abilities, either way I’m not responsiable isin’t it?
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Yes, but in this case, the Scientist (God) made sure that every Rat(humans) had the ability(God’s Grace) to get to the cheese(salvation). IF the rat stubbornly refuses to eat the cheese, it is the fault of the rat.
 
Syele said:
Yes, but in this case, the Scientist (God) made sure that every Rat(humans) had the ability(God’s Grace) to get to the cheese(salvation). IF the rat stubbornly refuses to eat the cheese, it is the fault of the rat.
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The rat in the maze has the ability to eat the cheese, if he manages to navigate the maze, simmilairly, if humans manage to wade through all the evidence, make a correct, though unverifiable decision on a religion to stick with, happens to be right, and then maintains the tennents of that religion to meet the qualifications not to be damned, then he can get to heaven. That’s not our choice, that’s a contrived circumstance we are put in.
 
IvanKaramozov said:
The rat in the maze has the ability to eat the cheese, if he manages to navigate the maze, simmilairly, if humans manage to wade through all the evidence, make a correct, though unverifiable decision on a religion to stick with, happens to be right, and then maintains the tennents of that religion to meet the qualifications not to be damned, then he can get to heaven. That’s not our choice, that’s a contrived circumstance we are put in.
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Firstly, God’s Grace ensure that we are ALL capable of navigating the maze and obtaining the cheese.

So then you can say… well why not skip the maze and the suffering of being hungry for cheese? He could not skip the maze and the hunger for the cheese. He would not because of the outcomes it would produce. If you have no hunger then to do not even desire the cheese. No point in getting what you have no desire for. He could not skip the maze because that is what makes it valuable.

If you think having to work/suffer for something makes no difference, just try giving a child everything they ever ask for instantly when they ask. You would quickly have a child who does not value the things he owns.

God gave us a gift of intelligence. He could have made us like robots with no capacity to love or understand anything. If he Had we would also not have capacity to suffer. I for one, don’t think I’d be willing to give up the capacity to understand things, to think and to feel in exchange for also giving up suffering and work.
 
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