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Psalm 22:5 To thee they cried, and were saved; in thee they trusted, and were not disappointed.
This is the way
This is the way
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kamalayka9
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Well, the next time you’re in trouble, and you’re short a bottle of water, it might help to call on God.
Just a thought…
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dmccormack
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I would agree with you, however the fact that Jesus has not instituted Baptism is the reason for the discrepancy. In the New Testament
clearly shows that once it, Baptism, was instituted the way to be saved is through baptism. Acts 2:38 Peter says "“Repent, and be
baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
By forgiving their sins they are being saved. Granite, someone can be saved without baptism and Catholic teaches this, in the Catholic
Catechism clearly states that through extraordinary means, one who is not baptized through the mercy of God may be saved. This is shown in CCC(Catechism of the Catholic Church) paragraphs 1257-1261
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Texan77
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As I look throughout the NT this is what I see
- On Pentecost Sunday many were baptized…
- And then that day forward the apostles went out and baptized all nations…
- I even see whole families being baptized as recorded within Sacred Scriptures…
We can even argue that some men died without this water baptism - yet the infallible Catholic Church teaches us that there are three forms of this sacrament…
- Baptism by water
- Baptism by desire
- Baptism by blood
Yet when we sin - especially commit a mortal sin we must come back to our Lord Jesus Christ - through the sacrament of reconciliation. Which again makes us holy and pleasing to God.
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CHRISTINE77
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God is gracious. He saves his people, whether through baptism or by his infinite mercy.
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geometer
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A breath of fresh air!..
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panevino
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1st formost saved by gods grace and our faith
-Jesus says must be born of water and spirit . John3:5
-NT shows a water baptism in river “in Jesus name” (can’t think of verse)
-Paul differentiates baptism in John from baptism in Jesus name .acts19:3
god can work outside of sacrament
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catholic understanding of baptism by desire (thief on cross) and martyrdom
-Jesus says must be born of water and spirit . John3:5
-NT shows a water baptism in river “in Jesus name” (can’t think of verse)
-Paul differentiates baptism in John from baptism in Jesus name .acts19:3
god can work outside of sacrament
hence
catholic understanding of baptism by desire (thief on cross) and martyrdom
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BerhaneSelassie
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Most of the results you posted are 1) Old Testament and 2)many did not really deal with spiritual salvation.Baptismal regeneration is a new Testament requirement for salvation.
The baptism requirement can be met with “desire for baptism” or “baptism of blood”
The baptism requirement can be met with “desire for baptism” or “baptism of blood”
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geometer
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Try Titus chapter 3. Paul is in rare form…
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BerhaneSelassie
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for what?
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Danno2281
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The teaching of the Church is very simple: Outside the Church, there is no salvation. This is a defined dogma of the Church, and if you do not accept it, you cease to be united in faith to the rest of the Mystical Body. One becomes a member of the Church through Baptism into Christ. There is no other way to be saved.
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thistle
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Baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Danno2281
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There is no certainty that the thief on the cross was not baptized. There is a story that he was what became of the rich young man, who may well have been baptized by the apostles (Jn. 3:22).
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crazzeto
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It’s a safe bet that he wasn’t baptised in a traditional sense, so I’m really not feeling warm and fuzzy with that argument. That doesn’t mean Christ him self didn’t baptism him while right there on the cross. Remember, traditional water baptism is just one form of baptism, and God has others. For instance another form is Blood Baptism, if you’ve never been formally baptised but lets say, the spirit came to you, you accept the truth and all of the sudden you find your self being martyred for the faith before you’ve been (traditionally) baptised. Your death (your blood) is a form of baptism. This, strictly speaking isn’t the case for that theif, he wasn’t being executed for the faith he was being executed for his sin. But there is another form, a Baptism of Desire, the theif here would fall rather neatly in this category wouldn’t you say?
It’s pretty clear, nailed there to the cross that he wanted to be baptised. He wanted to be washed of his sin, he wanted to be saved. Jesus is not one to turn down one who wants to be saved.
This might help newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm
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CalCatholic
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'And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Matt 28:18-20 RSV).
Sounds pretty straight forward to me. I agree God in his mercy can save anyone, but for those who don’t think they need baptism at all really should read the scriptures.
Sounds pretty straight forward to me. I agree God in his mercy can save anyone, but for those who don’t think they need baptism at all really should read the scriptures.
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crazzeto
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It’s funny how often people want to bet their salvation on “extrodenary means”, I mean really now!
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