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I don’t get what you mean by liberals, obviously those who want to get rid of the Church’s 2,000 year old doctrines, but from a political view the Catholic Church’s teachings always fall somewhere between the two parties, some times a little right and some times a little left.
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James_S_Saint
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Hmm…
“Shining light on true perspective…”
“Hate crimes are 20% up”
What was NOT said, yielding anything but perspective is that they went from a total of 5 to 7. == “perspective!!”
“Shining light on true perspective…”
“Hate crimes are 20% up”
What was NOT said, yielding anything but perspective is that they went from a total of 5 to 7. == “perspective!!”
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PJM
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His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI comments are just more evidence that God is in charge:thumbsup:
Lets us pray for a long life and continued courage and wisdom!
God is sooooooo very Good!
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cthulhubryan
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First, I ask your forgiveness. It is part of my personality.
Going from 5 to 7 is a 40% increase.
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hatsoff
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There were ~70 hate crimes directed against Catholics in 2007, out of a total of 1628 hate crimes motivated by religion in general. In 2008, the numbers climbed to ~88 out of 1732.
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Hi Hatsoff,
I’d like to know your source for those numbers. Here in California hate crimes have increased in terms of "religious’ people against homosexuals since the influx of large (millions) of dollars from out of state to fund the campaign to stop “gay” marriage. I am also aware from having friends from Belfast that unspeakable things were done by both protestants and catholics in the name of their religion.
My survey of history, such as it is, has convinced me that religion is one of the most divisive forces on the planet. I wish I could pull up the quote about “Who would dare to attempt to bring down…” the Church as it is the garment of Christ. That is easy. It would be anyone who perceives that in fact the vast majority of believers, including their leaders, are far from the incorrectly stated ideals professed by the Church, any church, It is no surprise at all that Mahatma Gandhi said “I like your Christ. I do not like your christians; they are so unlike your Christ.”
The example of the Christ is Love. While the verbiage of the churches appears to be about that, they are not functional in transmitting the essence of teaching, only trappings. That is because they have historicized the meaning of the Christ into a remote person as distinct from a Living Force as a state of attainable awareness based on right Identity.
So far from saying goodbye to liberals, we might encourage them to seek the actual origins of the Church in order to re-establish it on its actual footing, thus overcoming the spiritually prophylactic actions of the Church conservatives. Those conservatives have put the brakes on human advancement throughout the last 2000 years of history. It is time that that stopped.
I’d like to know your source for those numbers. Here in California hate crimes have increased in terms of "religious’ people against homosexuals since the influx of large (millions) of dollars from out of state to fund the campaign to stop “gay” marriage. I am also aware from having friends from Belfast that unspeakable things were done by both protestants and catholics in the name of their religion.
My survey of history, such as it is, has convinced me that religion is one of the most divisive forces on the planet. I wish I could pull up the quote about “Who would dare to attempt to bring down…” the Church as it is the garment of Christ. That is easy. It would be anyone who perceives that in fact the vast majority of believers, including their leaders, are far from the incorrectly stated ideals professed by the Church, any church, It is no surprise at all that Mahatma Gandhi said “I like your Christ. I do not like your christians; they are so unlike your Christ.”
The example of the Christ is Love. While the verbiage of the churches appears to be about that, they are not functional in transmitting the essence of teaching, only trappings. That is because they have historicized the meaning of the Christ into a remote person as distinct from a Living Force as a state of attainable awareness based on right Identity.
So far from saying goodbye to liberals, we might encourage them to seek the actual origins of the Church in order to re-establish it on its actual footing, thus overcoming the spiritually prophylactic actions of the Church conservatives. Those conservatives have put the brakes on human advancement throughout the last 2000 years of history. It is time that that stopped.
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Detales
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Thank you. It is crucially important that its understood that my statement is prompted by concern for the state of disunity manifest in the world today, and is founded on my conviction that all men and women are fundamentally of the same substance. They are therefore predisposed to Unity. However, the necessity of adopting certain world views in childhood makes it seem to us that we are somehow different. What I am calling on is the re-discovery of that fundamental and unique sameness among humans that is based, in my opinion, on their Divine origin. The differences promoted by religion, as well as politics and money are among the barriers that are in need of dissolution.
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cthulhubryan
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I find the whole idea of “Hate” crimes to be somewhat foolish.
Clearly, a skin head painting swastikas on a Jewish Temple is a hate crime.
But if 2 guys get in a fight and guy A beats guy B you cannot charge guy A with a hate crime just because guy B happens to be homosexual.
We have taken the idea of hate crimes WAY too far.
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I’m sorry, cthulhubryan, but would you please clarify that? Do you mean “happens to be” as in the fight was about something totally unrelatied, like who found the wallet on the street, or “happens to be” as in because the other guy is a homosexual?
I’m asking because it is silly to classify the former as a hate crime, and it isn’t. The second is, and is increasingly occuring due to religious conflicts. So what are you talking about?
I’m asking because it is silly to classify the former as a hate crime, and it isn’t. The second is, and is increasingly occuring due to religious conflicts. So what are you talking about?
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crazzeto
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I’m not sure why people mix up politics and faith in this way, I’m Catholic and very Orthodox. I happen to be policitically liberal in many important ways, in fact because of the fact that I’m getting more and more Orthodox. I take the Social Teachings of the church seriously, I fight for (abortion & euthenasia free) health care reform, I fight for social justice for the poor, I fight to make sure all humans are afforded basic dignaty and respect. More often than not these issues get me branded liberal.
Go figure
Go figure
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cthulhubryan
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Two guys are in a bar watching a football game. They get in a fight over an officiating call in the game. Guy A wins the fight but is arrested for a “hate crime” They fought over the results of a football game and sexual preference had nothing to do with it. How can this be a “hate crime”?
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Detales
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It isn’t; it is a crime of stupidity and ego. So I’m not sure what your point is, because such things are not classified as hate crimes. Having said that, I do believe that a lot of things that are non-racial, non- gender related conflicts are leveraged into that category as a means of increasing the thrill of conflict that we as a race appear to be addicted to. There is such a grievous lack of right Identity in a vast majority of the race, it seems that it is impossible for mos of us to look at ourselves in a larger, more dispassionate and non-personal context that is amenable to the kind of change that would eliminate most ego based dramas. Unfortunately, the ordinary manifestations of politics, religion, and socio-economic prejudices seem to foster fueling bonfires based on the values of private interest, comfort, and the inertia of personality.
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Was there any real information in this? I waited and waited and didn’t see any, but maybe I was distracted by the little phrases up in the corner at odd moments and the Mick Jagger jeans.
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