Say what about the excommunicated?

[Dorothy]

Hi Dorothy, I do thank you for your answer. I take it then that even an excommunication can be lifted just between the person and God on the deathbed without any Church official involved. But if compounding mortal sins matters, that’s what I now don’t get. Why before 1917, did it apparently not matter? Since back then the excommunicated were not obligated to attend Mass so it would fit with the idea that they may not participate in public worship or fit in visa versa. I’m not sure which came first. And like Fran is wondering, which was right? Pre or post 1917?

First of all, let me explain that I have no educational degrees, and that all that I have learned over the years comes from praying, reading, and listening and pondering what others have said that are more knowledgeable than myself. And, I look to the Magisterium of the Church and the teachings on faith and morals to be my guide.

From my perspective, what you refer to above has to do with disciplinary matters. At the time it was given it was deemed the best way to handle certain situations.

It seems to me that all these rules happened because people had legitimate questions to ask that needed attention. If we don’t have boundaries set for us our fallen human nature is all over the place.

I very much like to read the lives of the saints and how they dealt with the frailties, scruples, and absurdities of those who they were obligated to obey. What a tremendous sense of humor I perceived!

May the Lord bless us all in our pursuit of Him, and may He come and find us!

His Love is the greatest power in the world. When I focus on prayer and the sacraments everything makes sense.

May the Lord help us all,

Peace in Jesus and Mary,

Dorothy

 

[pnewton]

In the current law, the prohibition is only for the reception of Sacraments/sacramentals. The right to assist/attend still stands.

Dan

This is the second time that a prohibition against sacramental was mentioned. The only part (that was quoted) that mentions sacramentals was:

2/ to celebrate the sacraments or sacramentals and to receive the sacraments;

Reading this part literally, it is only celebrating sacramentals that is prohibited, not receiving, where only * sacraments* are mentioned. Is there something more that expands on this?

 

[dans0622]

This is the second time that a prohibition against sacramental was mentioned. The only part (that was quoted) that mentions sacramentals was:

2/ to celebrate the sacraments or sacramentals and to receive the sacraments;

Reading this part literally, it is only celebrating sacramentals that is prohibited, not receiving, where only * sacraments* are mentioned. Is there something more that expands on this?

No, that was just a sloppy mistake on my part.

Dan

 

[Sy_Noe]

First of all, let me explain that I have no educational degrees, and that all that I have learned over the years comes from praying, reading, and listening and pondering what others have said that are more knowledgeable than myself. And, I look to the Magisterium of the Church and the teachings on faith and morals to be my guide.

From my perspective, what you refer to above has to do with disciplinary matters. At the time it was given it was deemed the best way to handle certain situations.

It seems to me that all these rules happened because people had legitimate questions to ask that needed attention. If we don’t have boundaries set for us our fallen human nature is all over the place.

I very much like to read the lives of the saints and how they dealt with the frailties, scruples, and absurdities of those who they were obligated to obey. What a tremendous sense of humor I perceived!

May the Lord bless us all in our pursuit of Him, and may He come and find us!

His Love is the greatest power in the world. When I focus on prayer and the sacraments everything makes sense.
May the Lord help us all,

Peace in Jesus and Mary,

Dorothy

Hi Dorothy, I don’t necessarily think one should need a degree for matters of faith. As you prove, a lot at least can be learned by prayer and reading for ourselves. But I understand the faith evolved into a complex web of dogma, doctrine, teachings, disciplines and disciplines can be changed. But I respect your faith in the guides even though I may not have or share in the same faith. Anyway, thank you for your cordial dialogue. If I got one thing from the Pope’s visit to my country here in the US, it’s that he wants us to do just that, even though we may not agree. Indeed may the Creator bless us all. And continued peace to you as well.

 

[Dorothy]

Hi Dorothy, I don’t necessarily think one should need a degree for matters of faith. As you prove, a lot at least can be learned by prayer and reading for ourselves. But I understand the faith evolved into a complex web of dogma, doctrine, teachings, disciplines and disciplines can be changed. But I respect your faith in the guides even though I may not have or share in the same faith. Anyway, thank you for your cordial dialogue. If I got one thing from the Pope’s visit to my country here in the US, it’s that he wants us to do just that, even though we may not agree. Indeed may the Creator bless us all. And continued peace to you as well.

And peace and blessings to you as well!

 

[Sy_Noe]

And peace and blessings to you as well!

Thank you.

 

[Nita]

I don’t understand why people think the Church changed her teaching. The teaching** stayed the same after 1917 as it was before ---- divorce and remarriage is a grave sin.** What changed were the penalties. The judicial code (if that’s the correct term) is not part of the unchangeable teaching of the Church. Regulations have changed quite often in various areas. Doctrines do not change.