Saying God's instead of His

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I want some advice, please. There is an EMHC at my parish that is very vocal about not saying His in the responses when the pronoun refers to God. God’s Church etc. I find it very distracting and annoying. My mind begins to race as to why this 35 or so year old man has such an issue. Then I get annoyed that he is an EMHC yet sees fit to ignore the rules and interject his own word choices into the Mass and we must hear them.

Is this much ado about nothing or should I share my concern with the pastor?
 
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I want some advice, please. There is an EMHC at my parish that is very vocal about not saying His in the responses when the pronoun refers to God. God’s Church etc. I find it very distracting and annoying. My mind begins to race as to why this 35 or so year old man has such an issue. Then I get annoyed that he is an EMHC yet sees fit to ignore the rules and interject his own word choices into the Mass and we must hear them.

Is this much ado about nothing or should I share my concern with the pastor?
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No one has the right to change any part of the Mass on his own authority, even if the person is priest or a bishop. That is why norms and rubrics exist. The man in question is interjecting his own idiosyncracy and, from what you say, he’s also very distracting. I would bring it up to the priest (with the understanding that this is not your personal opinion, as the Church ratifies it under Redemptionis Sacramentum).

Unfortunately, it’s the folks (male or female) who seem to want to force everyone to take their gender neutral junk. When someone tried it on me, I told them, “Remember, Jesus called God His Father. He taught us to pray, ‘Our Father.’”
 
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Is this much ado about nothing or should I share my concern with the pastor?
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I think it’s much ado about nothing. You can’t control what someone else does, only what you do. If you find this person distracting, then perhaps you could sit somewhere else so that you wouldn’t hear him.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
I think it’s much ado about nothing. You can’t control what someone else does, only what you do. If you find this person distracting, then perhaps you could sit somewhere else so that you wouldn’t hear him.
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Although, in a Central Texas university parish, there were some of the faithful who have been very vocal about it and will say this with gusto. I couldn’t take it and opted not to go there anymore. If the OP has a similar situation, even sitting away from the person doesn’t help because the individual might say it loud and proud.

Furthermore, it’s worse when this comes from the celebrant. At my old parish in Austin, one of the priests had a habit of substituting Father and “His” every chance he got. Since he was adamant about it (and a little obstinate), I just avoided the Masses he was celebrating.
 
This has been an irritation for me, for a long time. The priest at the retreat center that I use to go to, did this.

To me, it showed that they were appeasing radical feminist, in order to make them feel good.

What for?

Regardless of what the Church does, radical feminist will never be satisfied, as long as women priest are not permitted.

Jesus called God, Father, and used the word, Him. Why should we do anything different?

Jim
 
As a EMHC the only thing he is saying to you if you are presenting yourself for communion is, “The Body of Christ” or, “The Blood of Christ” - there is no room for using “God” instead of “His.” What part of the Mass is this person responding too that you’re talking about? I’m just not understanding.
genealogist said:
I want some advice, please. There is an EMHC at my parish that is very vocal about not saying His in the responses when the pronoun refers to God. God’s Church etc. I find it very distracting and annoying. My mind begins to race as to why this 35 or so year old man has such an issue. Then I get annoyed that he is an EMHC yet sees fit to ignore the rules and interject his own word choices into the Mass and we must hear them.

Is this much ado about nothing or should I share my concern with the pastor?
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One section, that I’ve heard

Priest: “Let us give thanks to the Lord our God”

People: “It is right to give Him thanks and praise.”

At some Masses I’ve attended, the priest said the people’s part, with them, leading to change to, “It is right to give God, thanks and praise.”

Jim
 
Oh, OK - thanks
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One section, that I’ve heard

Priest: “Let us give thanks to the Lord our God”

People: “It is right to give Him thanks and praise.”

At some Masses I’ve attended, the priest said the people’s part, with them, leading to change to, “It is right to give God, thanks and praise.”

Jim
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b_justb said:
Oh, OK - thanks
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Another one is:

May the Lord accept the Sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of God’s (His) name, for our good and the good of all God’s (his) church.
 
I wonder if some would change:
from: “In the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”
to: “In the name of God, God, and of the Holy Spirit”?
 
water said:
I wonder if some would change:
from: “In the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”
to: “In the name of God, God, and of the Holy Spirit”?
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The parish I used to go to (18 years ago now) before I moved had a priest who was very pro-feminism who would say “in the name of the Creator, the Redeemer, and the Sanctifier”.:eek:
 
water said:
I wonder if some would change:
from: “In the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”
to: “In the name of God, God, and of the Holy Spirit”?
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That’s how I was thinking! What, is the priest denying God the Father? I know that, technically, God has no gender, but it is the tradition of the Church to figure God as a father. Also I’m a little peeved at the exclusion of the word ‘men’ from the Creed, as in “for us men, and for our salvation,” Are there those who really think this is a pointed exclusion of women? It’s a little childish to be that upset about a linguistic tradition. After all, “man” is a part of “woman”. Hey, think of it like this: Woman is like saying ‘extra-man’! Wait…maybe I should think that through a little more.

But I think you understand. There are bigger fish to fry than this. But I have to ask: everyone knows that all men are created equal but what about women? Perhaps we’ll never know.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
One section, that I’ve heard

Priest: “Let us give thanks to the Lord our God”

People: “It is right to give Him thanks and praise.”

At some Masses I’ve attended, the priest said the people’s part, with them, leading to change to, “It is right to give God, thanks and praise.”

Jim
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Yeah…it makes me want to cringe. Its not so much the word change, but when I imagine the agenda of the person. It annoys me.

Others:

Glory to God in the Highest and peace to God’s people on earth.

Leaving out “men” in the creed. ie. “For us -]men/-] and our salvation”

Changing words in the readings such as “men”, or “sons”, or “brothers” to “people”, “children” etc.
 
The worst is the PC revisionist’s version of the modern “hymn”, Sing of the Lord’s Goodness".

Instead of “Worship him and bless his name…” it’s “Worship the Lord, bless God’s name…”

It cracks me up. Even the horrible 70’s mood music is not spared the feminists’ hacks.
 
I hate it when people do this stuff. And they always seem to raise their voices when they change “His/Him” to “God”, don’t they? It is really irritating. I had a priest one time at a church some friends and I went to while on vacation who said, “Let us pray to God, who is both our Father and Mother…” :eek:

In Christ,
Rand
 
What gets me is the Christmas Carols. The parts of the Mass, of course, are the most annoying and distracting, but that’s just individuals with more arrogance than knowledge.

However, the OCP hacks have been able to take out all mention of “mankind” from traditional Christmas carols. For example “Joy to the World! The Savior reigns, let men their songs employ” becomes “Joy to the world! The Savior reigns, let us our songs employ”. In Hark! The Herald Angels Sing!, “Born that man no more may die. Born to raise the sons of earth. Born to give them second birth!” becomes “Born that we no more may die! Born to raise us from the earth! Born to give us second birth!”

The funny thing is, most people in the pews don’t even use the hymnal. These are songs ingrained in our culture. However, to the people in the church that embrace garbage like this, culture and history don’t matter. All that matters is that their immense arrogance that they know so much better than anyone in the past is realized.

Not that I would compare the two, but I get the same type of joy out of the Bush presidency as I get from the Benedictine Pontificate (although I get joy on many levels from the Holy Father):…The joy of watching liberals writhe. I don’t agree with a lot that George Bush has done, but I certainly have enjoyed watching liberals wince at his every move!

Seriously though, the Holy Father is slowly leading by example; the “Benedictine altar”, ad orientem altars, gorgeous vestments…all these things are making a return under Benedict. Expect them to spread like wildfire! Thank God for our Holy Father! May he reign a thousand years!

Adam
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
I hate it when people do this stuff. And they always seem to raise their voices when they change “His/Him” to “God”, don’t they? It is really irritating. I had a priest one time at a church some friends and I went to while on vacation who said, “Let us pray to God, who is both our Father and Mother…” :eek:

In Christ,
Rand
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It’s particularly annoying & ridiculous in the Gloria, considering that in the next few lines we refer to God as “Lord” “King” “Father”
 
Would anyone ever change the words of a Shakespeare play to be more “gender-neutral” and “politcally correct”? No, of course not! People recognize the beauty of his poetry and would never dare change it.

How much worst then for the person who decides to change the words of the liturgy, which is a gift from God, beyond any beauty of a mere mortal poet?
 
It’s worse when the priest does it. The one I’m thinking of couldn’t even refer to fishermen. He had to say fisherpersons.

He won’t say, “And he said to His disciples…” He has to say, “and he said to His friends…”

Apparently he’s been spoken to about it, because he has stopped doing those things during the Eucharistic prayer, at least for the time being. At first he changed so much, it was barely valid. Just on the inside of it, of course. It always is

What is with people who do that? It’s ridiculous and makes them look silly. What is worse, it is distracting to worship.
 
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