Saying Hail Mary during mass?

[Eli4n4]

During mass, right after the intentions are read, the priest will ask the people to join their prayers to Mary’s in Heaven…and then we all say a Hail Mary together. Is that acceptable during mass? …I can’t really find a problem with it…it just seems out of the ordinary.

 

[Chuy]

During mass, right after the intentions are read, the priest will ask the people to join their prayers to Mary’s in Heaven…and then we all say a Hail Mary together. Is that acceptable during mass? …I can’t really find a problem with it…it just seems out of the ordinary.

Yes it can be done licitly. For example:

“For world peace and an end to hunger let us pray to the Lord through the intercession of His Mother by praying Hail Mary, full of grace…”

Fr. Miguel does this quite often on EWTN Masses.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I haven’t seen this done but I don’t think it would be an improper response to the prayer of the faithful.

 

[John_Lilburne]

I often see it done, but I think it is wrong. This prayer is not included in the Roman Missal. Some people seem to think: “We compose the Prayer of the Faithful, so we are free to include the Hail Mary at this part of the Mass.” But there are instructions about the Prayer of the Faithful, which should be followed:
“71. … The people, however, stand and give expression to their prayer either by an invocation said together after each intention or by praying in silence.” (2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal, GIRM). The Hail Mary does not fulfill this.

Singing the Hail Mary seems acceptable to me. From the GIRM: “139. When the Prayer of the Faithful is completed, all sit, and the Offertory chant begins (cf. above, no. 74).
An acolyte or other lay minister arranges the corporal, the purificator, the chalice, the pall, and the Missal upon the altar.”

So sit down and sing it. But do not remain standing to include the Hail Mary as part of the Prayer of the Faithful.

 

[Eli4n4]

I often see it done, but I think it is wrong. This prayer is not included in the Roman Missal. Some people seem to think: “We compose the Prayer of the Faithful, so we are free to include the Hail Mary at this part of the Mass.” But there are instructions about the Prayer of the Faithful, which should be followed:
“71. … The people, however, stand and give expression to their prayer either by an invocation said together after each intention or by praying in silence.” (2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal, GIRM). The Hail Mary does not fulfill this.

Singing the Hail Mary seems acceptable to me. From the GIRM: “139. When the Prayer of the Faithful is completed, all sit, and the Offertory chant begins (cf. above, no. 74).
An acolyte or other lay minister arranges the corporal, the purificator, the chalice, the pall, and the Missal upon the altar.”

So sit down and sing it. But do not remain standing to include the Hail Mary as part of the Prayer of the Faithful.

that’s what I was wondering…do you have a link to the GIRM?

 

[Chuy]

I often see it done, but I think it is wrong. This prayer is not included in the Roman Missal. Some people seem to think: “We compose the Prayer of the Faithful, so we are free to include the Hail Mary at this part of the Mass.” But there are instructions about the Prayer of the Faithful, which should be followed:
“71. … The people, however, stand and give expression to their prayer either by an invocation said together after each intention or by praying in silence.” (2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal, GIRM). The Hail Mary does not fulfill this.

Singing the Hail Mary seems acceptable to me. From the GIRM: “139. When the Prayer of the Faithful is completed, all sit, and the Offertory chant begins (cf. above, no. 74).
An acolyte or other lay minister arranges the corporal, the purificator, the chalice, the pall, and the Missal upon the altar.”

So sit down and sing it. But do not remain standing to include the Hail Mary as part of the Prayer of the Faithful.

Now that would definitely be wrong. Inserting a Hail Mary as a discrete element in the Mass without authorization would be wrong.

Treating a Hail Mary as part of an invocation seems licit to me.

 

[japhy]

that’s what I was wondering…do you have a link to the GIRM?

You can read it on the USCCB web site.

 

[John_Lilburne]

To look up the GIRM, go to romanrite.com/girm.html . There I have links to the paragraph numbers of the GIRM at usccb.org.

 

[malphono]

The OP says:

Eli4n4:

During mass, right after the intentions are read, the priest will ask the people to join their prayers to Mary’s in Heaven…and then we all say a Hail Mary together.

From that, it sounds that the intentions have been completed, and before the offertory begins which is a “quiet spot” in the OF. If that’s the case, while I am not partial to the OF and have little to do with it, I see no real conflict. It amounts to filling that “quiet spot” (for which there is no prescribed liturgical text anyway) with a prayer.

Even in the “olden days” in the EF, it was common for the celebrant to ask for an “Our Father” and “Hail Mary” during the Mass (usually after the homily or during the announcements, in other words a place that has no prescribed text) for a special intention, or for the sick of the parish, or for the repose of the soul of someone recently departed, etc. It seems to again be the case in the EF, and is not unheard of (in the same type of place) even in some Eastern Rite churches.

IMHO, as long as it doesn’t replace a prescribed text, it shouldn’t be a problem.

 

[Hammerofheresy]

Before 1965 the Church always said 3 hail Mary’s the Hail Holy Queen and the St. Michael prayer before Vatican II decided to drop this (as well as most other pious practices). I can’t see any prob with it. Though these were said at the end of the Mass after the Last Gospel (also a beautiful thing dropped by the council).

 

[Bulldog]

I found this in which hail mary is allowed – a compare of the TLM vs. 1970 but not sure which edition it is during prayers of the faithful.

latin-mass-society.org/missals.htm

 

[Kielbasi]

Before 1965 the Church always said 3 hail Mary’s the Hail Holy Queen and the St. Michael prayer before Vatican II decided to drop this (as well as most other pious practices). I can’t see any prob with it. Though these were said at the end of the Mass after the Last Gospel (also a beautiful thing dropped by the council).

That’s sort of correct.

Actually, the St. Michael prayer was said after Low Masses only before 1965. And the practice wasn’t ancient, it only started in 1888 by Pope Leo.

 

[japhy]

Before 1965 the Church always said 3 hail Mary’s the Hail Holy Queen and the St. Michael prayer before Vatican II decided to drop this (as well as most other pious practices). I can’t see any prob with it. Though these were said at the end of the Mass after the Last Gospel (also a beautiful thing dropped by the council).

Just to be fair, Vatican II said nothing about doing away with those parts of the Mass.

 

[Petergee]

Just to be fair, Vatican II said nothing about doing away with those parts of the Mass.

It didn’t mention them SPECIFICALLY, but it did call for a revision of the Mass text removing “accretions” which add little to the essential nature of the Mass.

 

[japhy]

It didn’t mention them SPECIFICALLY, but it did call for a revision of the Mass text removing “accretions” which add little to the essential nature of the Mass.

I’m of the opinion that the removal of certain so-called “accretions” from the traditional liturgy did affect the (perceived) essential nature of the Mass. But this is getting off-topic.

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

I have been to Masses where they added the Hail Mary after the Prayers of the Faithful and it struck me as very strange. I thought the rule was that you didn’t add to or change the prayers of the Mass. And I haven’t seen it in any missal that you pray the Hail Mary in the middle of Mass.

For those who think it’s OK, would you feel that it would be equally OK for a Franciscan parish to ask for the intercession of St. Francis and pray the prayer of St. Francis at that point? Or for any other religious order to do the same with their patron?

It feels “off” to me to make that kind of change.

 

[japhy]

I have been to Masses where they added the Hail Mary after the Prayers of the Faithful and it struck me as very strange. I thought the rule was that you didn’t add to or change the prayers of the Mass.

The thing that makes the prayer of the faithful (in my opinion) a reasonable place for this sort of “creativity” is because it’s not rigorously ordered, unlike the rest of the liturgy of the Mass.

 

[Canto]

I attended a Mass with Cardinal Pell last year in Sydney and he said the Hail Mary, not sure whereabouts in the Mass. I’ve heard it said various times, though not common.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Before 1965 the Church always said 3 hail Mary’s the Hail Holy Queen and the St. Michael prayer before Vatican II decided to drop this (as well as most other pious practices).

This was NEVER part of the Mass. It was said AFTER LOW MASSES only from the time of Pope Leo XIII.

 

[EstaM]

I live in England and we always pray the Hail Mary after the intentions have been read out, whether it’s your local parish or even Westminster Cathedral, the Hail Mary is said. It’s what I’ve always known and I’m middle aged now.****