"Scalfari continues to attribute heresies to Francis in the face of Vatican silence"

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Online Spanish/French publication reports on new allegations made in La Reppublica newspaper in Italy on November 5 2019.


Google translation of Spanish version as follows:

On day 5, Eugenio Scalfari, the founding communist atheist of La Repubblica and Francisco’s personal friend, again attributed the heretical opinions to the Pope, without the Holy See having once again issued any denial.

“He was a man until he was deposited in the tomb by the women who laid out his body,” Scalfari quoted on November 5, on page 35 of La Repubblica, attributing these words to the Pope. “That night in the sepulcher the man disappeared and from that cave emerged in the appearance of a spirit that met with the women and the Apostles, still retaining the shadow of the person and then disappeared definitively.”

Scalfari insists, then, in the development of the kenotic heresy that accuses the Holy Father, according to which Jesus Christ would have been God only in the Incarnation and from the Resurrection, being only man the rest of his passage through the earth.

On October 8, in his article entitled “Synod, Francisco and the spirit of the Amazon,” Scalfari said "who has had, as has happened to me several times, the fortune of finding him and speaking to him with the utmost cultural confidence, He knows that Pope Francis conceives Christ as Jesus of Nazareth, man, not God incarnate. Once incarnate, Jesus ceases to be a God and becomes a man until his death on the cross. ”

“When it has happened to me to discuss these phrases, Pope Francis told me: ‘[These phrases, Ndr] are the proof that Jesus of Nazareth once made man, although a man of exceptional virtue, was not completely a God,’” he wrote in his text of October 8.

A day later, in a statement issued on October 9 by the Vatican, the Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said that “as has been stated on other occasions, the words that Dr. Eugenio Scalfari attributes in quotes to the Holy Father during the colloquies that with him he has had, they cannot be considered as a faithful account of what he has said, but they represent a personal and free interpretation of what he has heard, as it seems quite evident from what is written today about the divinity of Jesus Christ ” .

Many then wondered how in such a scandalous affair, referred to the Vicar of Christ and published by who is, in addition to his usual personal and confident friend, a renowned journalist who writes in the second newspaper of Italy for circulation, there had been no clarification. by Francisco himself, and even why the denial did not include the authentic version of the alleged statements.

On this occasion, there has not even been any comment from the Holy See."
 
Are you fully aware that Scalfari is 95 year old?
 
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I would have to disagree. Straight up calling him a liar would be far more helpful than saying nothing or wose saying what he said was just his “free interpretation”.
 
Are you fully aware that Scalfari is 95 year old?
All the more reason to instruct, counsel and admonish. For the scandal of others but more importantly concern for his soul.
 
Scalfari in Italy is kind of (let me use this word) a left wing atheist cultural ‘pope’. Pope Francis antagonizing him directly would cause a mess. I think for Pope Francis silence was a charitable and wise choice. I am sure even people supporting Scalfari think that he may be losing a bit intellectually (due to the very advanced age) and trying a bold move to remain relevant in the cultural debate but I doubt they will say it loud and support the Pope
 
Pope Francis antagonizing him directly would cause a mess.
No it would clear up a mess. And performing the Spiritual Works of Mercy is not antagonizing. Shouldn’t there be concern for his soul?

The Pope has no problem speaking up against Traditionalists.
 
Interestingly, it now transpires that the quotes have been included in a book recently published by Scalfari. The book it titled " Il Dio unico e la società moderna
Incontri con papa Francesco e il cardinale Carlo Maria Martini" Translated as “The One God and Modern Society: Meetings With Pope Francis and Cdl. Carlo Maria Martini”


The website above contains a description of the book as follows:

Il problema di modernizzare la Chiesa si presenta storicamente ogni due o tre secoli ed è per questo che il Cristianesimo ha resistito oltre duemila anni e continua a esistere. Adesso vi è la necessità di modernizzare la Chiesa adeguandola alla società che compone il mondo ed ha anche le sue religioni, alcune monoteistiche ma con un Dio proprio, che non è quello della Bibbia e soprattutto quello dei Vangeli. Il Papa che abbiamo oggi, preceduto nel tempo dall’azione del cardinal Martini che fu suo amico all’epoca dei Conclavi, afferma costantemente che il Dio creatore è unico in tutto il mondo. Non può esistere un Dio di proprietà d’un popolo. Storicamente ci sono queste situazioni in una quantità notevole di Paesi ma papa Francesco dice il vero per chi crede in un Dio: quel Dio è uno solo, l’epoca degli dèi è ormai di duemila anni fa ed ha perso ogni senso. Questa è la particolarità di papa Francesco e per tale ragione pubblichiamo qui i colloqui di Eugenio Scalfari con Lui e quelli con il cardinale Martini che sono precedenti nel tempo.

Google translation:
The problem of modernizing the Church appears historically every two or three centuries and this is why Christianity has endured over two thousand years and continues to exist. Now there is the need to modernize the Church by adapting it to the society that makes up the world and also has its religions, some monotheistic but with a God of its own, which is not that of the Bible and above all that of the Gospels. The Pope we have today, preceded over time by the action of Cardinal Martini who was his friend at the time of the Conclaves, constantly affirms that God the creator is unique in the whole world. There cannot be a God owned by a people. Historically there are these situations in a considerable number of countries but Pope Francis tells the truth for those who believe in a God: that God is one, the age of the gods is now two thousand years ago and has lost all meaning. This is the peculiarity of Pope Francis and for this reason we publish here the talks of Eugenio Scalfari with Him and those with Cardinal Martini that are earlier in time.
 
It’s odd that Pope Francis still gives Scalfari these one on one interviews if he’s already been accused of misrepresenting the Pope’s words.

Especially since there hasn’t been any formal retraction or correction done on Scalfari’s part in the past.
 
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It’s odd that Pope Francis still gives Scalfari these one on one interviews if he’s already been accused of misrepresenting the Pope’s words.

Especially since there hasn’t been any formal retraction or correction done on Scalfari’s part in the past.
Does Pope Francis continue to give him new interviews? I remember reading/hearing that Scalfari’s latest statement about what the Pope allegedly said came from interviews in the past; I think it was stated there have been no additional recent interviews since Scalfari’s report about the Pope earlier this summer. (I could be wrong about that, however…)
 
number of Pope Francis statements to clarify Pachamamas recovered from the Tiber = One

number of Pope Francis statements to clarify Scalfari quote wrong and Jesus is divine = Zero
 
Apparently the Vatican clarified at the beginning of October
Exactly, the Vatican, not the Pope.

And notice the carefully worded language of Vatican , all they said is that the quote is not a “faithful account”, but is instead his interpretation of what was said which doesn’t tell us if
(1) they even talked to Holy Father about it or
(2) that it was still uttered that Jesus isn’t divine but the precise wording of quote was off.
 
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So why is papa Francesco spending time with this old marxist in idle chatter about God? Maybe because, as you might recall, South American liberation theology is catholicism based on marxism. This would make the two gentlemen have an awful lot in common.
 
Have you ever heard of the shepherd trying to save the lost sheep? Scalfari is very old, I would not be surprised if the Pope is trying to get him closer to God before it is too late.
 
The Pope has no problem speaking up against Traditionalists.
For the same reason Jesus was hard on the scribes and Pharisees, they knew better.

Calling out and admonishing an unbeliever, with a following of unbelievers who are loud and proud in their unbelief will do nothiing good for the Church and just antagonize people.
 
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Man this Scalfari business is hard to figure. I mean, if this were me, this man would misquote me one time, and that would put an end to any further interviews. Especially the enormous misquoting that’s involved here. It gives the appearance that the Pope is making a mockery of core Catholic teachings. I would make darn sure that a correction was made of what this man claimed I said, so that the whole world would know. Like the old saying goes, Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me! But fool me three, four, five and six times??? Now that’s completely unacceptable!!!
 
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