Scapular Medal

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I understand that a Scapular wearer should not opt for the Scapular Medal without sufficient reason. Well , I live near Houston and it routinely hits 100 degrees during the day. I work outside and by the end of the day, I’m fairly sweaty. My scapular is wet and dirty. I wash it constantly and it shows the wear and tear. Is a scapular medal an option for me?
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Steve
 
tdcjco said:
I understand that a Scapular wearer should not opt for the Scapular Medal without sufficient reason. Well , I live near Houston and it routinely hits 100 degrees during the day. I work outside and by the end of the day, I’m fairly sweaty. My scapular is wet and dirty. I wash it constantly and it shows the wear and tear. Is a scapular medal an option for me?
Thank You,
Steve
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You have more than one pair of underwear, don’t you? Buy six more scapulars. At the end of each work day, put the day’s scapular into a sock and wash and dry it together with the rest of your laundry.
 
Rainaldo said:
But the OP should look up why creating the medal as a substitute was permitted in the first place.
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Why? While originally the permission to substitute the medal was limited, in 1910 it was extended to all of the faithful who were enrolled in the scapular. This is the direction that is currently in force. It doesn’t really matter what the “old rules” were.
For the future all the faithful already inscribed or who shall be inscribed in one or other of the real Scapulars approved by the Holy See (excepting those which are proper to the Third Orders) by what is known as regular enrollment may, instead of the cloth scapulars, one or several, wear on their persons, either round the neck or otherwise, provided it be in a becoming manner, a single medal of metal, through which, by the observance of laws laid down for each scapular, they shall be enabled to share in and gain all the spiritual favors (not excepting what is known as the Sabbatine Privilege of the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel), and all the privileges attached to each.
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Corki said:
Why? While originally the permission to substitute the medal was limited, in 1910 it was extended to all of the faithful who were enrolled in the scapular. This is the direction that is currently in force. It doesn’t really matter what the “old rules” were.
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Where is this mistaken quote from?
 
Corki said:
Pope Pius X, December 16, 1910.

(Acta Apost. Sedis, III, 22 sq.)

Are you saying the Pope was mistaken?
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Pope Pius XX allowed the useage of the medal in areas that would prohibit the wearing of a cloth scapular. eg… The tropics for example.This was not done to allow the use of a
medal over the cloth but rather to alleviate an existing problem.
The cloth Scapular is a Habit, there are those prohibited from the wearing of the medal.
If you wish to post info , learn the complete details first. You may mislead those that read your posts.
In 1910 the Pope wrote about the Sabbatine Privilege. That position has changed and it is now regarded as coming from a lost Bull, for the sake of clarification,and not an accurate Bull.
One must take all the info from Pope Pius to the present one to understand the special and worthwhile effect of wearing a scapular as it was intended.
 
Kevin812 said:
Could some one please expand upon this? I have never seen any reference in the matter of the Brown Scapular.
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The medal is “allowed” in the tropics.
Third Orders wear the cloth scapular. I am a lay-carmelite . There are three different scapulars that I can wear.
1> the small one 1x 11/2’’
2> a 3x5’’
2> a 5x8’’ ( Cermonial)
These sizes are approximate.

The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is the habit of the Carmelite Order.
For the religious it takes the form of two long panels of brown clothU].
The laity wear a smaller size yet it is still brown cloth.
Unless one lives in the tropics wear a cloth scapular .
 
I did a quick bit of research on the issue. Are the statute excerpts below correct statements of the rule for the Washington Province? If so, it appears one can wear the scapular medal interchangeably with the brown scapular. This is from the html version of the file ocdswashprov.org/legislation/12-31-2011%20Revised%20Statutes%20as%20Published.rtf). The link will pull up the PDF file, so you can examine the entire document.

**OCDS Provincial Statutes for the Washington Province of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Approved by the General Definitory December 19, 2009 - 2010 and 2011 revisions as promulgated in the Clarion ----- ALL ARE IMMEDIATELY IN EFFECT
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External Signs of Membership in the Secular Order
Code: 
The large ceremonial brown scapular shall continue to be given as the habit of the Secular Order at the time of admission to formation. 

***A smaller brown scapular or the scapular medal is worn for everyday use.*** 

The ceremonial scapular may be worn at community meetings as well as at ceremonial and/or liturgical events of the Carmelite Order.  It may also be worn at events at which the Carmelite Order wishes to be recognized (e.g. wakes and funerals of our members).  Local councils shall determine which events fall into this latter category. 

If a member wishes to be buried with the ceremonial scapular, worn externally, prior arrangements should be made with the member's family or closest associates.**
 
I am not an expert on this issue. I believe a Secular Carmelite in said Province could wear the scapular medal at anytime. Please correct me if my source is incorrect or not up to date. Notably absent is any proviso stipulating that the substitution may be made only “for good reason”.
 
thomas_jd said:
The medal is “allowed” in the tropics.
Third Orders wear the cloth scapular. I am a lay-carmelite . There are three different scapulars that I can wear.
1> the small one 1x 11/2’’
2> a 3x5’’
2> a 5x8’’ ( Cermonial)
These sizes are approximate.

The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is the habit of the Carmelite Order.
For the religious it takes the form of two long panels of brown clothU]
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The laity wear a smaller size yet it is still brown cloth.
Unless one lives in the tropics wear a cloth scapular .

So living in the tropics is the only sufficient reason? (BTW, I think Houston probably qualifies as the tropics in this instance.) I asked a similar question in another thread a few days ago. My 8 and 10 year old children go through the cloth scapulars like crazy, so I bought them each a medal instead. It seems like a reasonable solution, but I’ve received so much mixed information on whether is is appropriate. I’ve read everything from “strongly discouraged” to “not preferred”. I have not been able to come across a single official document that says that gives any guidance whatsoever. The Pope’s authorization to use the scapular medal doesn’t mention any circumstance under which it is not allowed. It seems to me that it is a private devotion, and as such any officially authorized version is acceptable.
 
babochka said:
So living in the tropics is the only sufficient reason? (BTW, I think Houston probably qualifies as the tropics in this instance.) I asked a similar question in another thread a few days ago. My 8 and 10 year old children go through the cloth scapulars like crazy, so I bought them each a medal instead. It seems like a reasonable solution, but I’ve received so much mixed information on whether is is appropriate. I’ve read everything from “strongly discouraged” to “not preferred”. I have not been able to come across a single official document that says that gives any guidance whatsoever. The Pope’s authorization to use the scapular medal doesn’t mention any circumstance under which it is not allowed. It seems to me that it is a private devotion, and as such any officially authorized version is acceptable.
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What about the Scapular medal?
The Scapular medal can be worn in place of the cloth scapular for good reason but is not the preferred form—precisely because the sacramental link—the visible link—with the cloth panels of the Carmelite habit has been lost.

The above statement comes from the catechesis on the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, put together by both branches of the order.

In my opinion active children who change to the Scapular medal appears to be “good reason”. The strings of the Scapular constantly slide off them. Perhaps as they become adults, if their devotion to Our Lady was consistent they may want to then wear the cloth scapular.

It is unfortunate that differently worded instructions can cause such confusion.
 
Still hoping for a response concerning my theory on use of the scapular medal in the OCDS Washington Province. Any takers?
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Still hoping for a response concerning my theory on use of the scapular medal in the OCDS Washington Province. Any takers?
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In my message previous to yours I quote a sentence from the Catechesis of the Brown Scapular that has been put together by both branches of the Carmelite order in the year 2000. Does that help?

(The entire catechesis helps in understanding more about the Brown Scapular and what is expected of us.)
 
Dorothy said:
In my message previous to yours I quote a sentence from the Catechesis of the Brown Scapular that has been put together by both branches of the Carmelite order in the year 2000. Does that help?

(The entire catechesis helps in understanding more about the Brown Scapular and what is expected of us.)
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Dorothy,

I read the appropriate excerpt from the Catechesis. Nonetheless, the Washington Province statute issued in 2011 permits unrestricted use of the scapular medal for members within its jurisdiction. It affects no one outside the Province. I fully understand and respect the catechetical preference for use of the brown scapular by all Carmelites. That is not my point. Hypothetically, I’m saying an OCDS member in the Washington Province can - technically - wear the scapular medal without supplying a “good reason”. My argument is jurisdictional in nature, nothing more.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Dorothy,

I read the appropriate excerpt from the Catechesis. Nonetheless, the Washington Province statute issued in 2011 permits unrestricted use of the scapular medal for members within its jurisdiction. It affects no one outside the Province. I fully understand and respect the catechetical preference for use of the brown scapular by all Carmelites. That is not my point. Hypothetically, I’m saying an OCDS member in the Washington Province can - technically - wear the scapular medal without supplying a “good reason”. My argument is jurisdictional in nature, nothing more.
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Okay, thanks for clarifying! 🙂
 
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