Scapular - Not Enrolled?

[Matt86]

Is ‘Enrolled’ the correct term?

Anyway I’ve been wanting to be vested in the brown scapular for ages. So I finally got one sent from Lisieux and rather than go through the set Rite from the Carmelites website, my Priest just simply blessed it with his hand.

I’m thinking this doesn’t really count and will just make the scapular a sacramental?

 

[Battle_Warrior]

Is ‘Enrolled’ the correct term?

Anyway I’ve been wanting to be vested in the brown scapular for ages. So I finally got one sent from Lisieux and rather than go through the set Rite from the Carmelites website, my Priest just simply blessed it with his hand.

I’m thinking this doesn’t really count and will just make the scapular a sacramental?

I’ve been wondering the same thing. Question: If one put a Brown Scapular on someone (and the person was NOT enrolled BUT the Scapular was blessed) would the promise (of not going to hell) still hold?

 

[brotherjoe]

I love to wear the scapular - it reminds me to pray throughout the day and reminds me that I am called to be holy. But I’m not invested or anything so I don’t claim the privileges per se.

 

[brotherjoe]

I’ve been wondering the same thing. Question: If one put a Brown Scapular on someone (and the person was NOT enrolled BUT the Scapular was blessed) would the promise (of not going to hell) still hold?

I can’t believe so. Wearing the scapular is a sign of faith. If someone puts it on you without your consent, how can that change your state of grace? But it certainly cannot hurt, though. It may have the same effect as praying for that person.

 

[Shoshana]

I have just joined the thrid order of secular carmelites. I asked my priest to bless my simple scapular and he said there is a special prayer to bless it. I found it. This will happen next week. Once this happens, one can wear the simple scapular medal if one wishes.

 

[Wildkit]

The OP’s question brought up a similar back of the mind question I have. I provide scapulars for my Faith Formation class. I leave the scapulars along with the Carmelite rite for blessing and enrolling these scapulars for the priest to use. My parish priest is not fond of scapulars and the promises of a private revelations. Nevertheless, after hearing from the Faith Formation leader about my priest’s concerns, I receive the scapulars, go over the promise and what it means for our faith in class, and go on year after year. Of course, I also question whether “enrolling” these youngsters without the formal reception, as I picked them up earlier, is that appropriate?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

The OP’s question brought up a similar back of the mind question I have. I provide scapulars for my Faith Formation class. I leave the scapulars along with the Carmelite rite for blessing and enrolling these scapulars for the priest to use. My parish priest is not fond of scapulars and the promises of a private revelations. Nevertheless, after hearing from the Faith Formation leader about my priest’s concerns, I receive the scapulars, go over the promise and what it means for our faith in class, and go on year after year. Of course, I also question whether “enrolling” these youngsters without the formal reception, as I picked them up earlier, is that appropriate?

Good for you.

It makes me chuckle when a mere man can think that he is smarted than 1000 years (or 2000 years) of tradition.

 

[Matt86]

I can’t see a definitive answer here guys?!?

 

[Shoshana]

Is ‘Enrolled’ the correct term?

Anyway I’ve been wanting to be vested in the brown scapular for ages. So I finally got one sent from Lisieux and rather than go through the set Rite from the Carmelites website, my Priest just simply blessed it with his hand.

I’m thinking this doesn’t really count and will just make the scapular a sacramental?

According to my spiritual director, it would just be a sacramental. Being enrolled gives you all the benefits of the carmelite charism… I thought my post was clear, but I guess not. I am sorry.

Go to:

sistersofcarmel.com/brown-scapular-information.php

 

[RosaryFan]

I’ve been wondering the same thing. Question: If one put a Brown Scapular on someone (and the person was NOT enrolled BUT the Scapular was blessed) would the promise (of not going to hell) still hold?

We have to leave that to God’s mercy. I’ve always understood that many moons ago, children who made their first Holy Communion were invested during the Mass. So when an elderly person (Catholic) is on their deathbed, and I give them a scapular to wear, I always hope they became invested during their First Holy Communion.

If not, I leave it to God. I figure if God is giving me the opportunity to put a scapular on someone, then maybe it’s for the good of their soul. At the very least, it could cause the sick person to come to terms with their immanent fate and maybe have the gift of final repentence. It certainly can’t hurt to give someone the scapular. I have many times. What God and Our Lady do with them, I hope to find out someday.

 

[Wildkit]

Thank you RoasaryFan – Your perspective is what I hoped I was not alone by myself for feeling. Yet I pose the question to myself and class, after the remains of Pope Gregory X who was the first to promote the scapular, the St. Alponsus Ligouri, the St. John of the Cross,………why did the only bit of their remains was an undefiled brown scapular? Is someone trying to tell me something as they do in the ________(?) church?

Wow,……I can’t answer the question of the other church,……yet I do remark to my class the signs he has provided to this poor soul.

 

[Shoshana]

Thank you RoasaryFan – Your perspective is what I hoped I was not alone by myself for feeling. Yet I pose the question to myself and class, after the remains of Pope Gregory X who was the first to promote the scapular, the St. Alponsus Ligouri, the St. John of the Cross,………why did the only bit of their remains was an undefiled brown scapular? Is someone trying to tell me something as they do in the ________(?) church?

Wow,……I can’t answer the question of the other church,……yet I do remark to my class the signs he has provided to this poor soul.

Wow! I have studied St John of the Cross for over 25 years and now I am an aspirant (and will recieve the official secular scapular, not be confused with the scapular worn by the general public)…and i never knew that there remained a bit of his scapular after so many years!

 

[RosaryFan]

The OP’s question brought up a similar back of the mind question I have. I provide scapulars for my Faith Formation class. I leave the scapulars along with the Carmelite rite for blessing and enrolling these scapulars for the priest to use. My parish priest is not fond of scapulars and the promises of a private revelations. Nevertheless, after hearing from the Faith Formation leader about my priest’s concerns, I receive the scapulars, go over the promise and what it means for our faith in class, and go on year after year. Of course, I also question whether “enrolling” these youngsters without the formal reception, as I picked them up earlier, is that appropriate?

You never know if they will have the opportunity to be truly enrolled someday in the future. Then, because of you, they’ll already know what the scapular is and what it does to those who wear it with the proper devotion. Keep giving them out. I didn’t become enrolled (or invested) until I was close to 40 years old!

 

[Matt86]

Thanks for your helpful replies!

 

[Shin]

Is ‘Enrolled’ the correct term?

Anyway I’ve been wanting to be vested in the brown scapular for ages. So I finally got one sent from Lisieux and rather than go through the set Rite from the Carmelites website, my Priest just simply blessed it with his hand.

I’m thinking this doesn’t really count and will just make the scapular a sacramental?

A simple blessing of the scapular is not the vesting and enrollment, so you’re not enrolled.

You’ll have to find a priest willing to do the proper prayers if you want to be enrolled.

He can find the enrollment in the Roman Ritual, for example.

Or he can read it off a piece of paper, if he’s willing, not every priest is.

 

[Wildkit]

Wow! I have studied St John of the Cross for over 25 years and now I am an aspirant (and will recieve the official secular scapular, not be confused with the scapular worn by the general public)…and i never knew that there remained a bit of his scapular after so many years!

My mistake, I meant to say St. John Bosco instead of St.John of the Cross. Yet St. John of the Cross was an avid supporter of the scapular as well.

 

[JVSantos]

Enrolled this morning! Yes!

 

[Matt86]

I’ve noticed the Rite has a part where Scapulars are blessed.

Since mine was already blessed, even though it was just a ‘simple’ blessing, will it need to be done again?

I’d like to stick to the Rite and not deviate really, especially since I won’t be the only one being enrolled when the time comes. Hopefully on Sunday!