Scared of speaking out Against Gay marriage?

[Thorolfr]

Fact: Homosexual behavior spreads disease. (Centers For Disease Control)

Fact: Bisexual individuals move freely between the gay and straight communities.

Fact: Sexual practices of gay people are a health threat to straight people.

(Except monogamous and celibate persons of any religious denomination…as long as they remain monogamous and celibate)

I admit I would like to see a solid separation between these “communities”. My little homophobic devil is whispering in my ear…“Put up a fence, keep them out, have no contact…soon they will all die off…Heck! they don’t reproduce so they will all be gone in a generation.”

But the truth of the matter is that people are dying. What infuriates me are the gay activists who are more than happy to sweep these statistics under the rug in order to promote, glorify and justify homosexuality. Is it going to take the forum homophobe to stand on a soap box on Castro Street and shout: “You guys are killing yourselves…”???

So how would you solve this problem? What would you suggest? Should homosexual activity be criminalized once more?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

So how would you solve this problem? What would you suggest? Should homosexual activity be criminalized once more?

We should also criminalize heterosexual sodomy with an equal punishment to homosexual sodomy.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

So how would you solve this problem? What would you suggest? Should homosexual activity be criminalized once more?

Well it certainly should NOT be encouraged.

 

[Rau]

So how would you solve this problem? What would you suggest? Should homosexual activity be criminalized once more?

Implore persons, by appeal to morality, or to reason (as I have done) to see their real physical nature for what it is and to recognize that their desire for certain kinds of sexual engagement are corrupted and ought to be rejected.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Implore persons, by appeal to morality, or to reason (as I have done) to see their real physical nature for what it is and to recognize that their desire for certain kinds of sexual engagement are corrupted and ought to be rejected.

Rau…you have the ability with words that I only wish I had…

 

[cena]

Instead of the word “use” which seems to bother you, I should have said that sex can perhaps have more than one legitimate and natural purpose besides procreation just as the mouth has more than one legitimate and natural purpose. The mouth can be used to chew food with, to speak with, and to kiss with. The saliva on the tongue has an enzyme called amylase in it which begins the process of digestion. But would anyone say that the tongue and the saliva is being used improperly if I lick a stamp with it before putting it on a letter? The point I was making is that body parts can have more than one legitimate purpose and can be used in different ways. This does not negate one of those possible purposes or uses such as procreation in the case of sexuality.

Whether a certain use or claimed purpose is moral or not is a completely different question. It is certainly legitimate for someone to say that other claimed purposes of sexuality outside of procreation are not moral and that is the position of the Catholic Church. But there might be disagreement on this issue and I don’t pretend to have any certainty about it. The fact that sexuality appears to have other purposes in the natural world besides procreation gives me pause. For example, scientists have observed that male bottlenose dolphins engage in same-sex interactions to facilitate group bonding.

You can be sexually active without procreation but you have to be open to it. This can never happen with two men or two women

And incest and murder is widely practiced by animals. Should we adapt these things too to bond family members and murderers?

 

[cena]

How can the sexual practices of gay people be a health threat to straight people, especially to monogamous or celibate Catholics?

The bisexual people

 

[cena]

So then why do other species such as bottlenose dolphins use same-sex sexual activity for group bonding purposes? Are dolphins using an unnatural partner when they do that? You might say that humans are different than animals by which you probably imply that we are superior to them. But I’m not certain that there is such a sharp divide between humans and the natural world around us. There is no doubt that the natural world (including the dolphins) is part of God’s creation. But I’m not totally convinced that the philosophical construct called “natural law” actually reflects the mind of God as much as it reflects the beliefs of those philosophers who constructed it.

What does group bonding mean? Should people use this method to bond with their families? Why not? With people who are already married? Why Not? Bonding apparently overrides reason and morality

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

It coined the word ‘marriage’, and applied it to an institution created by the state.

You are free to believe in some other more restrictive thing, and even to call that thing ‘marriage’, but not to bar the rest of us from using the word marriage to refer to the civil institution.

Marriage (one man and one woman) existed before any “state” was established.

You are, of course, free to call anything what you want to call it. You can call an apple an orange…but that does not change the biological nature of the fruits.

 

[Setimet]

Marriage (one man and one woman) existed before any “state” was established.

Righto! I’m a big believer in traditional marriage!

You know like the patriarchs? Abraham and Sarah and Haggai. Jacob and Rachel and Leah. Moses’ wives. King David’s harem…

 

[cena]

Righto! I’m a big believer in traditional marriage!

You know like the patriarchs? Abraham and Sarah and Haggai. Jacob and Rachel and Leah. Moses’ wives. King David’s harem…

Didnt Jesus scold the Jews for what Moses did
Matthew 19
3 - And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 - Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said:
5 - For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.
6 - Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.
7 - They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away?
8 - He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 - And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.

 

[Setimet]

Didnt Jesus scold the Jews for what Moses did
Matthew 19
3 - And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 - Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said:
5 - For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.
6 - Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.
7 - They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away?
8 - He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 - And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.

Excellent point. Jesus is clearly against DIVORCE. Amazing the number of annulments these days isn’t it? “by reason of the hardness of your heart”, that is what is destroying marriage.

Not saying I’m not hard of heart myself, that’s the race we run as Christians right? To try and be better at accepting God’s grace everyday.

 

[Ositokc]

Fact: Homosexual behavior spreads disease. (Centers For Disease Control)

Fact: Bisexual individuals move freely between the gay and straight communities.

Fact: Sexual practices of gay people are a health threat to straight people.

(Except monogamous and celibate persons of any religious denomination…as long as they remain monogamous and celibate)

I admit I would like to see a solid separation between these “communities”. My little homophobic devil is whispering in my ear…“Put up a fence, keep them out, have no contact…soon they will all die off…Heck! they don’t reproduce so they will all be gone in a generation.”

But the truth of the matter is that people are dying. What infuriates me are the gay activists who are more than happy to sweep these statistics under the rug in order to promote, glorify and justify homosexuality. Is it going to take the forum homophobe to stand on a soap box on Castro Street and shout: “You guys are killing yourselves…”???

Um, hate to bust your bubble but here is a fact:

ANY sexual behavior can spread disease.

The fact that you are trying to demonize an entire group by making such a sweeping erroneous statement is quite juvenile. Yes, girls have cooties, BUT not all girls, and so do boys, but not all boys.

 

[Setimet]

Speaking of hardness of heart…and in relation to the original posters question.

I only spoke about gay marriage when questioned. I, truly without thinking, or perhaps by my own indifference, blindly agreed with the church–which of course they’re worthy of such faith right? Peter the Rock? They’re all super educated!

I think, in regards to such conversations, the church makes a great point about being sensitive to the struggles of others when they emphasize the person part of “same-sex attracted person.”

Remembering that one is speaking to another human being who might ACTUALLY be in love with someone of the same-sex (and may in fact be celibate). Makes those conversations smoother, and avoids wild accusations one would never posit a straight person.

Also…I’m just gonna leave this here:

The Woes of the Pharisees

1. They taught about God but did not love God — they did not enter the kingdom of heaven themselves, nor did they let others enter. (Matt 23:13-14)

2. They preached God but converted people to dead religion, thus making those converts twice as much sons of hell as they themselves were. (Matt 23:15)

3. They taught that an oath sworn by the temple or altar was not binding, but that if sworn by the gold ornamentation of the temple, or by a sacrificial gift on the altar, it was binding. The gold and gifts, however, were not sacred in themselves as the temple and altar were, but derived a measure of lesser sacredness by being connected to the temple or altar. The teachers and Pharisees worshiped at the temple and offered sacrifices at the altar because they knew that the temple and altar were sacred. How then could they deny oath-binding value to what was truly sacred and accord it to objects of trivial and derived sacredness? (Matt 23:16-22)

4. They taught the law but did not practice some of the most important parts of the law — justice, mercy, faithfulness to God. They obeyed the minutiae of the law such as tithing spices but not the weightier matters of the law. (Matt 23:23-24)

5. They presented an appearance of being 'clean' (self-restrained, not involved in carnal matters), yet they were dirty inside: they seethed with hidden worldly desires, carnality. They were full of greed and self-indulgence. (Matt 23:25-26)

6. They exhibited themselves as righteous on account of being scrupulous keepers of the law, but were in fact not righteous: their mask of righteousness hid a secret inner world of ungodly thoughts and feelings. They were full of wickedness. They were like whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of dead men's bones. (Matt 23:27-28)

 7. They professed a high regard for the dead prophets of old, and claimed that they would never have persecuted and murdered prophets, when in fact they were cut from the same cloth as the persecutors and murderers: they too had murderous blood in their veins. (Matt 23:29-36)

 

[lightbeamrider]

Gosh I hope you are not involved in any evangelization effort regarding the LGBT community. How someone can feel such disdain for an entire class of people that they refuse to consider actual facts and instead make up whatever horrible things they can say about said class of people, I have no idea.

I have disdain for predators who exploit the weak, confused minors by suggesting they were born gay and its implications That is what you have not addressed. All one has to do is look to Massachusetts and what is happening in public education as a result of legalizing gay marriage. The targeting of youth. It is far more than simple gay marriage. The implications open a floodgate of consequences. You seek to vilify me as having disdain for an entire class of people, (meaning gays). You employ the same prosaic tactics which has already been identified. If you have any logical arguments then present them. If you believe infants are born gay then any sane person would not want you around their children anymore than they would want a pimp around their young daughters.

Your arguments are reminiscent of the arguments from the KKK who suggest that black men prey on “confused vulnerable” white women.

Some do. The source does not matter if the information is correct. Some black men turn white females into sex slaves. Do you think that does not happen? They get them pregnant with mix race babies, tell them nobody will want them. There is a whole psychology behind it and they are experts at what they do. What are they (females) to do? By the time the so called experts get a handle on these females, the damage is done. You simply don’t know what you are talking about.

Bugchasing (and giftgiving) involves such an incredibly small percentage of the gay male population as to be irrelevant when discussing gay men (and COMPLETELY irrelevant in discussing lesbians). Your argument is the same as suggesting that rape cults are the core of heterosexuals and heterosexuality.

Well i do realize all that must be an embarrassment to the pagan sex jihadist crowd. There is plenty information on bug parties on the internet. If dissent is going to be associated with the KKK, Nazi’s, backwoods preachers, idiots and on and on ad nauseam then by the same standards why can’t the pro homosexual jihadists be associated with pederasty and bug parties? You guys set the precedent. You are getting a mild taste of your own medicine. How do you know for a fact it is an ‘‘incredibly small percentage of the gay community’’? Natural selection?

 

[DrTaffy]

Miami Catholic archbishop tells employees if they support gay marriage, they could be fired

 

[Rau]

Miami Catholic archbishop tells employees if they support gay marriage, they could be fired

Many corporations have limited tolerance to employees publicly acting against the corporation’s interests, be it in their own time or otherwise.

 

[DrTaffy]

Many corporations have limited tolerance to employees publicly acting against the corporation’s interests, be it in their own time or otherwise.

So?

How can you honestly complain about being “Scared of speaking out Against Gay marriage?” (the title of this thread, if that needs pointing out) at work while still doing everything you can to persecute those who speak out in favour, even at home?