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my daughters attend a catholic school and will be entering grades 3 & 5. At the end of last year, my daughter in 4th had a new student join. She is a foster child w/ a lot of baggage and is in the process of being adopted. She was constantly getting into trouble for being disrespectful and would say/do things that were inappropriate. One day at recess she proceeded to tell the girls HOW TO HAVE SEX, w/ explicit details. I was extremely upset by this since I work very hard to protect my girls from inappropriate television, movies, music, etc. This whole situation has caught me totally off guard. I pay tuition for my children to go to this school so they are not subjected to this on a daily basis at the public school. I feel like I am a terrible christian by not wanting my daughter around this girl but at the same time I have to protect my children physically, emotionally, spiritually, and mentally as best as I can. She is returning to our school in the fall and I am trying to decide what to do, pull my kids out or let them return and hope/pray for the best. Please someone give me some advice…I am worried sick about this. HELP!
 
You’re going to pull your children out because of one girl? You should just talk to the principal and/or the girl’s parents.
 
I pay tuition for my children to go to this school so they are not subjected to this on a daily basis at the public school.
If you really believe this, I humbly suggest you are wasting your money. The same stuff kids hear and see and talk about in public school they hear and see and talk about in private school, Catholic or otherwise. It is there, and while there may be less of it in Catholic school, it is still there. Sorry if that sounded harsh, but you reminded me of the folks at our local Catholic High School who cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there is underage drinking, drugs and sex at the school, same as at the public one.

What their friend talked about was inappropriate, and needed to be brought up to school authorities as soon as you heard about it. Going forward, you can’t protect your daughters from everything, but you can use their new “friend” and other such instances as teaching moments. I presume it was your daughter who told you about the schoolyard incident. This is the time to, in an age appropriate manner acceptable to them and you, explain what their friend said and what is wrong with it.

If you and the girls love the school I can’t see pulling them out because of this one girl. Don’t ever give any one individual that much power over anything in your life. Your girls don’t have to be friends with her, but they should try to be friendly to her. And if she continues to say and/or do inappropriate things, make sure those in authority hear about it.

That’s my $0.02. YMMV.
 
I know you are just trying to protect your children, but you can’t always do that. What you can do is teach them to protect themselves when you are not there. They should know what proper conversation is for them and and why, and have the courage and confidence to speak up when someone crosses the line. Pull them out of the Catholic school if you think that is in their best interest, but I promise you the public school will not be an improvement, academicaly or in the quality of schoolmates.
 
I can well understand your concern; you wanted to preserve your daughters’ innocence as long as possible, and this child has pulled the rug out from under you.

Clearly, this girl has been through a very difficult situation; heaven only knows how many foster families she’s been placed with, and what went on in those homes. She may have been sexually abused (a common reason for inappropriate preoccupation with sexual matters in children) and has, at least, been through things children of her age should not have to endure. This is an excellent teaching opportunity for you to discuss with your own daughters the fact that not all children have loving parents and come from happy homes, giving some context to her actions.

That said, I agree that it should be brought up with the school authorities and her new adoptive parents. Some things are simply not appropriate to a school setting - Catholic or not - and this qualifies. (That is not to say that other kids won’t “share” what they might hear from older brothers and sisters…they do, and will.) I would not pull my children from the school; that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This child and her new parents will have a long, hard row to hoe; adopting older children who have had a rough time of it is rarely easy. God bless her new parents.
 
Well that is indeed unfortunate. I would like to protect all children from situations such as this.

My heart just breaks for that little girl in your daughter’s class. How do you think she acquired that information? Now not only does she have that knowledge at an age when she shouldn’t (my husband and I were foster parents, and I don’t recall the statistic, but some ridiculous percentage of foster kids have been sexually assaulted REPEATEDLY before becoming foster children) , and she’s been taken away from her parents (abusive and awful people, I’m sure, but she probably thinks they were swell and if nothing else familiar), and she’s finally in a nice family who are trying to raise her in a nice manner, and now, well, she screwed up.

She screwed up and said and did things to make herself seem unappealing to people at her new school because she probably already views herself that way. She thinks she’s dirty and ugly and yucky because that’s what she’s been told by all of the people who’ve abused her and she’s so bad in fact that her own parents hurt her and now they aren’t even going to be her parents any more.

Here is the good part. Her foster family has had the whole summer to get her the help she needs to better understand what is appropriate and what is not. She is probably getting a LOT of counseling and her foster family is going to do their best to make sure she is the sort of friend you want your daughters to be around.

I would do three things. First, I would explain to my daughters that not everyone has a nice mommy and daddy that love them as much as you do and that we should really keep little Sally in our prayers. Second, I would explain that they know when they are hearing things they shouldn’t, and that if they hear something inappropriate in the future, they should immediately walk away from little Sally and say something like, “EW, that’s gross! Don’t talk like that!” Lastly, I would invite little Sally to a family event like to the ice cream shop or pizza parlor where you and your husband will also be in attendance so that she is not a total outcast. You may be uncomfortable with that third step but little Sally is just a child, made in God’s image, and you may be the only family who does something nice for her outside of her foster family in this entire year.

I went to a very good Catholic school myself, and had very good parents who kept a good eye on me and my playfriends. I had 2 friends who had extremely inappropriate knowledge they shared with me at a very early age (one bad enough that I didn’t “get it” until a couple years after marriage!) which now I think probably points to trouble in their homes, and my parents were none the wiser. This sort of thing happens everywhere I’m afraid, and all you can do is your best.
 
my daughters attend a catholic school and will be entering grades 3 & 5. At the end of last year, my daughter in 4th had a new student join. **She is a foster child w/ a lot of baggage and is in the process of being adopted. **She was constantly getting into trouble for being disrespectful and would say/do things that were inappropriate. One day at recess she proceeded to tell the girls HOW TO HAVE SEX, w/ explicit details. I was extremely upset by this since I work very hard to protect my girls from inappropriate television, movies, music, etc. This whole situation has caught me totally off guard. I pay tuition for my children to go to this school so they are not subjected to this on a daily basis at the public school. I feel like I am a terrible christian by not wanting my daughter around this girl but at the same time I have to protect my children physically, emotionally, spiritually, and mentally as best as I can. She is returning to our school in the fall and I am trying to decide what to do, pull my kids out or let them return and hope/pray for the best. Please someone give me some advice…I am worried sick about this. HELP!
You need to be praying for this poor child – and have your daughters pray for her too! She is a foster child, that a family is trying to help and love. They are also paying tuition to this school–for a child they hadn’t adopted yet! I am sure that they are teaching her at home as best they can how to behave appropriately and what can and what should not be shared. Do your best to help them. Your daughters don’t have to be friends with her, but you might try befriending the mom if only so that you can have more specific prayer intentions.
 
My kids go to Catholic school too and you need to go to the principal immediately…5th grade talking about this?..this girl obviously has been molested…Do not let this go…I don’t blame you for being upset…I send my kids to Catholic school b/c I want to sheild them from alot, and I want them to have God in their daily life,even at school…I struggle to pay the tuition but it is worth it…kids that young should not be talking about sex…I know that eventually they will hear about it, but that young?..No way!!!..Something needs to be done with this poor girl…counseling? but don’t leave it alone…do not tolerate this behavior b/c it is affecting your children…
 
My heart just breaks for that little girl in your daughter’s class. How do you think she acquired that information? Now not only does she have that knowledge at an age when she shouldn’t (my husband and I were foster parents, and I don’t recall the statistic, but some ridiculous percentage of foster kids have been sexually assaulted REPEATEDLY before becoming foster children) , and she’s been taken away from her parents (abusive and awful people, I’m sure, but she probably thinks they were swell and if nothing else familiar), and she’s finally in a nice family who are trying to raise her in a nice manner, and now, well, she screwed up.
That was my worry as well.
 
When kids learn about something completely new, they feel cool telling everyone around them about it.
It sounds to me like it’s about time to have “the talk” and continue talking with your child. I know that 5th grade was about the same time that I started learning about these things. Of course, this new information also makes kids curious-- curious enough to start google-ing things online.
You should know that they average age of exposure to pornography is 12 y/o in the United States, so it is highly likely that one or more of your daughter’s friends have seen this kind of thing…
 
There are girls who start having a period in 5th grade - I was one of them.

At age 10 it is not outlandish that this girl knew the facts of life. Don’t go jumping to conclusions that this girl has beem abused just because she knows about sex.
 
Yes, the principal and soon to be adoptive parents knew of the situation immediately after it happened. Nothing was sent home telling us parents that this occurred at school if we would like to discuss it w/ our children. I did have a talk w/ my daughter but I guess I am feeling that they are still so young for this kind of exposure and like I had stated I work very hard to keep the “junk” that is out there in society from my kids.

As for the little girl, yes she has a background that no child should have had and we do pray for her and her family every night.
 
Sorry to say but I was talking about the same thing at 10 years old in school and I was never abused, and that was nearly 40 years ago. The mere fact she’s talking about it does not indicate that she’s been abused. It indicates she has learned something new and exciting that she can tell others and amaze them with her knowledge.
 
There are girls who start having a period in 5th grade - I was one of them.

At age 10 it is not outlandish that this girl knew the facts of life. Don’t go jumping to conclusions that this girl has beem abused just because she knows about sex.
Sorry to say but I was talking about the same thing at 10 years old in school and I was never abused, and that was nearly 40 years ago. The mere fact she’s talking about it does not indicate that she’s been abused. It indicates she has learned something new and exciting that she can tell others and amaze them with her knowledge.
But telling people explicit details about HOW TO?

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Mike, would not the principal have called your parents to tell them that you were talking about that? I know when 7th and 8th graders at my Catholic school were using bad language, they were called to the principal’s office for a talk with the pastor.

Remember, considering the girl is in foster care, it would certainly not hurt to cover the possibility of abuse so that she can get the help she needs.

Whatever happened to preserving the kids’ innocence as far as possible?
 
I should clarify that it was the “With Explicit Details” and my foster care training and experience that led me to jump to conclusions. Perhaps this little girl just has a bit more knowledge than one should have at her age.

At her age I was extremely innocent, even after I got my period and my mom explained things to me, I just didn’t get it. I didn’t understand the original post to intend that this little girl said, “Hey guess what I found out!? When a mom and dad love each other a lot he does this and she does that.” “With Explicit Details” meant more to me than this (I don’t want to know or invite a discussion).

Obviously the child has been through the ringer whatever that may be. States don’t terminate parental rights without a LOT of abuse.
 
5th grade?..I didn’t know about sex in 5th grade and I "matured "very early…but I still had no idea of sex until like maybe 8th or 9th grade…and I have a 5th grader and he doesn’t know about sex…and I grew up in the eighties…not that long ago…this girl has either been exposed to pornography or has been abused…
 
There are girls who start having a period in 5th grade - I was one of them.

At age 10 it is not outlandish that this girl knew the facts of life. Don’t go jumping to conclusions that this girl has beem abused just because she knows about sex.
And younger. I had my first one shortly before my 9th birthday, and not another one for about a year, but it was very stressful – more for my mother than for me because she was terrified I’d tell some other 3rd grader about it.

I think it’s probably more a case of thinking that a foster child has had bad experiences than assuming she was abused because of knowledge.

Kids know stuff much younger these days. I about drove off the side of the road one day when my son in 4th grade told me he knew how to “do it”. Someone’s older brother had given them a very mis-informative lecture. I straightened out my son, and called the mother of the older brother, step mother actually. If they had tried what the older kid described the girl would have taken off for parts unknown.

I would certainly talk to your kids, the principal and the girl’s foster mother. You’re right to want to protect your children, but as they get older it might be more efficacious to prepare them for what’s surely around the bend. The example your family sets may be the thing that child needs the most.
 
My daughter could have told your daughter “how to have sex with explicit details” at about age 5. Meaning, she could have told your daughter that “Daddies put their boy parts inside the Mommy’s girl parts.” Because that was exactly how we explained things to her when she asked questions while I was pregnant with her younger sister. We told her the egg and sperm part, but her little inquisitive mind wasn’t satisfied with that. She wanted to know just how does the Daddy’s sperm get in there, anyway?! We were not going to lie to her, and we are firm believers that the most successful way to make a huge issue out of something with your child is to freak out about it or refuse to talk about it.

So, many of you would have been calling CPS on my family, assuming my daughter had been abused or exposed to pornography, hmmm… the fact that she has open and honest parents who discussed things with her would NEVER have occurred to you at all? BTW, she knows what pornography is, too, having heard the term and asked me what it was. I told her it was pictures or movies of people having sex. She said, “Gross!” I said, “Yeah, I know…”

That daughter is now 11 and entering 7th grade. She has not started her period but is well on her way. In fact, I have to take her bra shopping tonight, as she has outgrown her first set of training bras. My daughter is only a year older than that foster child and her body is rapidly developing… and you would have me leave her ignorant? Left prey to the stupidity of her friends and what THEY will tell her? I would never abuse my daughter that way, and neither should anyone else. Yes, in this day and age it is abusive to leave any child in double digits ignorant of the facts of life. They will be in an environment where their peers are having at least oral sex and they need to be armed with information and good discussions of expectations and values BEFORE that seemingly innocent birthday party turns nasty. They need to know what to do in that situation. If you haven’t talked to them about any of it, how will they know how to get themselves out of a situtation before it degenerates completely into something that could really damage them?

I understand your desire to protect their innocence. But in this culture at this time, leaving too much innocence intact is setting your child up for disaster. Ignorance does not protect anyone.

Use this girl’s indiscretion as a teaching moment for your children. It sounds like the principal was made aware. The school knows that this girl has issues, and I am sure that the adoptive/foster parents are working hard on helping that girl be more appropriate in her behavior. Likely, this act was a cry for attention and sympathy from a child who does not feel important in her own life. She needs compassion and help, not shunning. Getting her kicked out of school will most likely damage her even further, and could set back any progress the adoptive parents have made with her. They probably have her in that school to protect her too! She would be very easily led astray in the less disciplined environment of a public school.
 
There are girls who start having a period in 5th grade - I was one of them.

At age 10 it is not outlandish that this girl knew the facts of life. Don’t go jumping to conclusions that this girl has been abused just because she knows about sex.
I was thinking the same thing reading through this thread. Knowing how to have sex is really quite simply explained. And in 5th grade at the Catholic school my daughter attended, and the one I attended back in the 80’s, we had sex ed better known as ‘Family Life’ and knew the basic mechanics of sex. Before we that had learned how animals mate etc. I don’t think it outlandish that a 10 year old knows this information. In fact, I’d be a little worried if she didn’t seeing as how girls that age are getting their periods etc.

Having said that, whether she has the knowledge or not to me is not the issue it’s that she felt it OK to discuss it with other kids. Now as open and honest as I am with my kids re:sex and their bodies, I always tell them it’s not something to discuss with peers out of respect because sex is a gift and needs to be discussed in the proper context. If anything maybe this girl just hasn’t been told that sex isn’t polite playground conversation and doesn’t have a good sense of decorum with delicate subjects.

There was always that one kid with a big mouth though, who loved to be the center of attention on the playground or at lunch with a ‘gross’ tale about sex or a sex act. I always got the impression it was all for attention and to get an audience. Perhaps since this girl was ‘new’ this is what she was trying to do?

Doesn’t hurt to talk to the principal. Maybe the whole class can get a general reminder about when and with whom these conversations are appropriate and when they aren’t.
 
As a foster parent, I too would have jumped to the conclusion of sexual abuse. And not perpetrated by ‘the many foster families she had possibly been with or what went on in those homes’. (can you tell remark that offended me?, kind of like when foks say priests are all pedophiles- many times generalizations don’t go over well) We foster parents are trained to look for these kinds of ques (as in what she said to the others) and to get help if they present themselves. Obviously it did present, and hopefully it has been addressed appropriately. Pray for that blessed adoptive family to have peace, as it is so hard to take that kind of behavior on for permanence.

As for moving your child, there is nowhere to avoid hearing stuff you don’t want them to hear. I homeschool mine partially for that reason, but they hear things at the YMCA during Jujitsu class, so unless you live in a bubble, it’s going to happen. Just look at these things as teaching moments and pray for wisdom in explaining things.

Sorry if this sounded harsh, but I and the majority of other foster parents are very good at what we do, remember, we take in kids that have already been abused, not to abuse them ourselves.
 
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