But that’s both boring and unrealistic.
George Lucas should really be chastised for Jar-Jar Binks and his stupid remaking of The Force to some substance in your body called Midi-Chlorians. Yeah, the first thing I’d do is get bottles of them and sell them to others, “Psst! Hey buddy. You wanna buy some Midi-Chlorians? You can get Jedi powers with 'em.” And I’d rake in the dough.
Instead of claiming to know what I mean, why not ask me to clarify? Your list of classics is not my list of classics.
Do you actually like anything Ed?
Some people just like to point out all the changes for the worse as they watch the bad changes,some times they enjoy some of the bad stuff so they can point it out to other people.
:shrug:Overall, I am a HUGE BSG fan, mainly because I was impressed by the ethical issues, philosophical issues, character development, and presentation of the society as a whole. However, I do remember this episode (and the subsequent onces where Roslin bans abortion and ultimately reverses her decision) because the entire sublot left a very bad taste in my mouth. As passionately pro-life as I am, I could not stomach the fact that the fact of what happens to the baby in an abortion is completely ignored.
Which is why overall I remain a huge fan of the series.
I nearly choked on my water when I read this. However, in all fairness, I didn’t get very far into the original series.You should stick with the original BSG from the 70s. Less immorality and better writing/acting.
Why such a broad brush question? Instead of: What do you like? You’re assuming, which is not necessary.
The bad stuff turns my stomach. Dexter. That lovable police crime lab tech whose hobby is kidnapping people and cutting them to pieces. I’m waiting for the series about the wonderful family of cannibals next door.Some people just like to point out all the changes for the worse as they watch the bad changes,some times they enjoy some of the bad stuff so they can point it out to other people.
Not everything has to do with an agenda. In the mentioned case, it’s basically preaching to the choir. People who are already pro-choice are going to cheer for this plot twist; people who can engage in sensible ethical reasoning are going to hate it.
Why? For many people that is the reality. I grew up in a conservative Catholic nuclear family home where literally every time I took my mom’s advice it ended badly. If someone made a movie of my life during my teenage years, your quote would have been a central theme.
You entirely mischaracterize this. (a) That’s a personal taste and preference thing. I happen to like it because it gives it an authentic feel without assaulting the ears with the actual word f****. (b) Not at all. Alchoholism is a character flaw. Now, most of the other characters don’t do / say anything because the character in question is their senior officer. This is typical and realistic in a military environment. But there are several points throughout the series where certain characters are called out on their character flaws (including alchoholism). This is usually done by a wise male role model (are you listening, ed?). (c) I am not sure what you refer to here.
Well then you must never have any heroes who are soldiers / other military / law enforcement, because a body count is inevitable in the nature of the job. My young daughters can watch sunshine and rainbows all day, but as an adult I want entertainment that makes me think about hypothetical ethical issues.
I don’t know why you would be a fan of Star Trek, given that Gene Roddenberry dreamed of a world where humanity had outgrown religion, which is very clear at various points even in the original series. Surely you see Star Trek as beholden to the atheist, anti-religion agenda; it would only be consistent with the way you see literally everything else in your world that you have chosen to comment on.
The first couple seasons, yes. The actors were all getting their sea legs. Try 4th season on. Particularly 6th and 7th season. Although some of those involve ethical and philosophical complexity, so on second thought you may not like it.
On the contrary, darkness can be very educational. You can watch your heroes wrestle with ethical issues and suffer the consequences of bad choices. A good hero isn’t just one who is mostly perfect; a good hero is also one who has the right underlying principle but sometimes struggles with the application. In watching our hero struggle, it reminds us of our struggles when we mess up. And in watching our heroes suffer the consequences and learn their lessons, we are encouraged to make good choices, even if it seems late in the game for us in our lives.
We actually agree on something! Run for your lives!You say this, yet I have never seen you do this. All I see from you is subjective statements and vague references to trends you claim to see.
Point One: And since when did the choir, as you call it, become the majority? Any TV show that promotes abortion as a good is automatically crossed off my list. I used to watch TV for entertainment, not preaching. There are religious channels for that. The show is lame and I’ve seen some stupid stuff on it. Example: Two fighter pilots coming back from a mission and one wants to “clear my guns.” Bullets on a space fighter? Seriously? And if a weapon jams, you can’t clear it by forcing another bullet through. The totally ridiculous insertion of a few wires into a female Cylon to alter the navigation capabilities of a number of spacecraft? She’s missing and even if presumed dead, you don’t leave your internal security that vulnerable. My missing “the good” goes like this. Dad tells his kids he’s going to make some brownies. The kids are happy, until dad tells them he’ll be adding a very tiny amount of excrement from the family dog. He insists they won’t be able to smell or taste it. The brownies sit on the table and the kids refuse to eat them.Not everything has to do with an agenda. In the mentioned case, it’s basically preaching to the choir. People who are already pro-choice are going to cheer for this plot twist; people who can engage in sensible ethical reasoning are going to hate it.
In painting with such a broad brush, you completely miss everything good about such a series.
Why? For many people that is the reality. I grew up in a conservative Catholic nuclear family home where literally every time I took my mom’s advice it ended badly. If someone made a movie of my life during my teenage years, your quote would have been a central theme.
You entirely mischaracterize this. (a) That’s a personal taste and preference thing. I happen to like it because it gives it an authentic feel without assaulting the ears with the actual word f****. (b) Not at all. Alchoholism is a character flaw. Now, most of the other characters don’t do / say anything because the character in question is their senior officer. This is typical and realistic in a military environment. But there are several points throughout the series where certain characters are called out on their character flaws (including alchoholism). This is usually done by a wise male role model (are you listening, ed?). (c) I am not sure what you refer to here.
Well then you must never have any heroes who are soldiers / other military / law enforcement, because a body count is inevitable in the nature of the job. My young daughters can watch sunshine and rainbows all day, but as an adult I want entertainment that makes me think about hypothetical ethical issues.
I don’t know why you would be a fan of Star Trek, given that Gene Roddenberry dreamed of a world where humanity had outgrown religion, which is very clear at various points even in the original series. Surely you see Star Trek as beholden to the atheist, anti-religion agenda; it would only be consistent with the way you see literally everything else in your world that you have chosen to comment on.
Now, I know why I am a fan of Star Trek, and it is because of the reasons you mentioned, as well as the extremely progressive values for the 1960’s. (A black WOMAN, a Japanese man, and a Russian man (in the middle of the Cold War!) and an alien - ON THE BRIDGE!!! And TV’s first interracial kiss!!!)
The first couple seasons, yes. The actors were all getting their sea legs. Try 4th season on. Particularly 6th and 7th season. Although some of those involve ethical and philosophical complexity, so on second thought you may not like it.
On the contrary, darkness can be very educational. You can watch your heroes wrestle with ethical issues and suffer the consequences of bad choices. A good hero isn’t just one who is mostly perfect; a good hero is also one who has the right underlying principle but sometimes struggles with the application. In watching our hero struggle, it reminds us of our struggles when we mess up. And in watching our heroes suffer the consequences and learn their lessons, we are encouraged to make good choices, even if it seems late in the game for us in our lives.
Good post! Just because the actions depicted in a show should not be emulated doesn’t mean all such shows have to be shunned. I called the society of BSG ‘infantile’ you call it ‘dirty’. I think we are both on the same track, but I caution that the viewer needs to be an adult that can be detached and analytical. I can see that on the end of a long day where even a very wise adult would not want to plumb this sorted type of tale possibly because your guard is down and takes an effort to maintain to gain anything good even entertainment from the show.
Right, but Star Trek has frequently presented situations that have a suspicious analogy to a “real world” issue. In Voyager, there was an episode in which two characters (Tuvok and Neelix) were fused into a single person, and the captain had to decide whether or not to separate them back out, which would kill the new person, “Tuvix.” That struck me as most likely an attempt to tackle the abortion issue in a disguised form.