Science and Religion

[1ke]

They are not science books, either, and are full of inaccuracies.

Well, Jonathan Wells is a PhD in molecular and cell biology and Michael Behe is a biochemist. They are qualified individuals and I disagree that their books are not science books and that they are “full of inaccuracies”.

Common descent is science and it is accurate.

If it were accurate, then there would be an identified common ancecstor, which their isn’t. The facts and evidence do not support common descent. At this point, it’s ideology not science.

I am not saying common descent is not possible, only that it is not proven.

ID disciples constantly claim that it is not, but they have yet to make an unrefutable argument against it.

I think the fact that no common ancestor has actually been found and that there are numerous gaping holes in the theory speak for themselves. But, of course, there are also the numerous books that have been published detailing the flaws in the arguments and adequately refuting them… oh wait, I already posted the titles of those books.

Bottom line is that if the OP ignores the science, her son will very likely have even more doubts and questions about his faith.

I have not advocated “ignore the science”. What I do advocate is study the claim and the evidence for and against.

That is a scientific approach.

Simultaneously, the OP should get a copy of Humane Generis and read that with her son too.

 

[Orogeny]

Well, Jonathan Wells is a PhD in molecular and cell biology and Michael Behe is a biochemist. They are qualified individuals and I disagree that their books are not science books and that they are “full of inaccuracies”.

You are certainly free to disagree, but they are not science books and have been completely refuted by Christian scientists like Ken Miller and Francis Collins.

If it were accurate, then there would be an identified common ancecstor, which their isn’t. The facts and evidence do not support common descent. At this point, it’s ideology not science.

Not necessary. I can’t identify my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather, but I know I had one. The scientific evidence supporting common descent is overwhelming.

I am not saying common descent is not possible, only that it is not proven.

The evidence is so strong that it is not in doubt.

I think the fact that no common ancestor has actually been found and that there are numerous gaping holes in the theory speak for themselves. But, of course, there are also the numerous books that have been published detailing the flaws in the arguments and adequately refuting them… oh wait, I already posted the titles of those books.

No, you only cited 2 books, neither of which is a science book. Want to bet I can find plenty of books that support common descent?

I have not advocated “ignore the science”. What I do advocate is study the claim and the evidence for and against.

That is a scientific approach.

Simultaneously, the OP should get a copy of Humane Generis and read that with her son too.

ID is no more a science than astrology is. One of IDs biggest supporters actually testified to that in court. Obviously your idea of science is different than mine and that of other scientists.

Peace

Tim

 

[mikew262]

Hi All
My son is nearly 17. He asked me the following question last night …

“In Biology, we are learning that all humans started as bacteria.
In Religion, we learn that humanity started with God creating Adam and Eve.
Who do I believe?”

I told him that he should put his faith and trust in God and believe in God and pray, etc. Don’t know if he was too impressed with my answer though. He asked me this question just before going to bed so we couldn’t have a good long discussion about it and I want to sit down and have a good mother/son chat about it. He is reaching the stage where a lot of his friends are questioning why they have to go to Mass, etc. etc.

How would any of you respond to that? Any comments would be very very much appreciated!!!

A short answer: Science is the study of how God did it.

 

[Bobby_Jim]

I don’t think any biologist would claim humans evolved from bacteria. Bacteria are fully modern life forms. You would have to trace back a very long way to find a common ancestor, but it wouldn’t be what we recognize as any species of bacteria today.

If this is truly what kids are being taught in science class in high school, it points out the weakness in science teachers. Maybe it’s time for more scientists (rather than teachers who took a few extra science classes) to do the teaching.