Science can't destroy Religion

[inocente]

This is not a mangled quote. It is precisely what Russell said.

On different days. And most of it was about an ancient Greek’s mistakes, read the book, I linked it.

Your case for metaphysics over the last 100 years rests on contested quotes from a single author about another discipline. Not much of a case compared to science’s quantum theory, relativity, big bang, discovery of DNA, ridding the world of smallpox, putting a man on the moon and so on.

P.S. You might also try letting up on the sacrcasm.

OK, we’ve probably done this one to death anyway. I suggest we follow Don Lockwood’s adage in Singing In The Rain as he donned his clown suit - “I’ve had one motto I’ve always lived by: Dignity. Always dignity.”

 

[davidv]

But if we allow anyone else to dictate whether our conscience is well-formed, we are not letting our conscience be our guide and so fall at the first hurdle.

Even if the someone else is God? How do we hear from him? Through His authorized spokesmen.

Ultimately, after listening to others, we must trust our own judgment. You can’t love your neighbor until you’ve learned to love yourself.

We both are, see Paul’s argument in Romans 14.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

inocente

But if we allow anyone else to dictate whether our conscience is well-formed, we are not letting our conscience be our guide and so fall at the first hurdle.

The first hurdle is our first temptation to sin. Usually our parents inform us immediately about right and wrong with a little tough love, thus dictating the formation of conscience.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

inocente
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Your case for metaphysics over the last 100 years rests on contested quotes from a single author about another discipline.**

You didn’t like mathematician Bertrand Russell’s description of mathematics as a metaphysicial activity, so I also will drop it.

 

[atheistgirl]

But here’s the bottom line: you are here at Catholic Answers; so you are worrying about it … and therefore it is not trivial to you.

I think you have to be careful when speculating why some one uses one forum or another. I’ve had something similar said to myself here, and I can see how and why Catholics would love to think it is the Holy Spirit drawing people here - it ticks all the confirmation bias boxes.

I use several religious forums now, some extremely anti Catholic, with the view to simply educating myself about what it is people of different faiths believe.

I enjoy discussing the ‘‘big issues’’ and it’s interesting to hear others takes on things when religion informs their lives.

But that’s it.

I’ve heard nothing here, or on the other forums, that to me, personally, comes anywhere near evidence for a Deity - just lots of justifications for beliefs, which of course, is how it should be.

Sarah x

 

[XRU]

View,

My father was a pharmacist, read philosophy, I am a scientist and steeped in life science and all the science I have studied and all the science I know causes me to disagree with you. You call it inanity and folley. That is one opinion.

Sorry but which one of the statements are you cause you to disagree with him?

 

[XRU]

I think you have to be careful when speculating why some one uses one forum or another. I’ve had something similar said to myself here, and I can see how and why Catholics would love to think it is the Holy Spirit drawing people here - it ticks all the confirmation bias boxes.

I use several religious forums now, some extremely anti Catholic, with the view to simply educating myself about what it is people of different faiths believe.

I enjoy discussing the ‘‘big issues’’ and it’s interesting to hear others takes on things when religion informs their lives.

But that’s it.

I’ve heard nothing here, or on the other forums, that to me, personally, comes anywhere near evidence for a Deity - just lots of justifications for beliefs, which of course, is how it should be.

Sarah x

Fraid I have to agree with her. I’m a Protestant and a happy one. I’m here because people are really nice and love as Jesus would have them do.

 

[XRU]

Yes, and, Religion will never destroy science, either, because Science needs it’s share of Fairy Tales like abiogenisis.

I am still waiting for Science to make up it’s mind as to whether the Dinosaurs were killed off by a Comet/meteor or if they evolved into chickens!

I used to frequent a site that had a lot of them who would wax eloquent over the TOE (Second Synthesis) was the best thing since white bread, how it is PROVEN, and I mean with capitals and all that you all are familiar with.

Boy the discussion would end when I brought up that only life came from life and until the TOD could show a reasonable mechanism for life from inorganic material I’d keep my options open. The most anyone could say was that “interesting and substantial progress” was being made in life from inorganic matter with an utter lack of response when I asked for resources.

Course there were those who always answered difficult questions with insult, it was one of those type of sites

I don’t have any problem with the Second Synthesis because from what I’ve read and heard, God or something like God seems to be working from the Quantum level, which seems to be driving Evolution (among other reasons). Don’t have a reference but could find one in my pile of books.

I laugh when I hear anyone saying anything close to Science Knows Everything We Need to Know. Maybe with someone that doesn’t have to capacity to KNOW anything beyond something measurable, but what about proving a very simple thing like when he, she, it or even I exist. I don’t know anyway to do that short or an exceptionally reifed measurement such as brain waves.

Does anyone have any current new on the attempt to show life can come from inorganic matter?

 

[atheistgirl]

Does anyone have any current new on the attempt to show life can come from inorganic matter?

Have you watched any of the Jack Szostak videos on youtube? They’re long, but very interesting.

Sarah x

 

[atheistgirl]

Boy the discussion would end when I brought up that only life came from life and until the TOD could show a reasonable mechanism for life from inorganic material I’d keep my options open.

Evolution will never answer the question of how life originated.

That’s not it’s job.

Sarah x

 

[yppop]

I think you have to be careful when speculating why some one uses one forum or another. I’ve had something similar said to myself here, and I can see how and why Catholics would love to think it is the Holy Spirit drawing people here - it ticks all the confirmation bias boxes.

I use several religious forums now, some extremely anti Catholic, with the view to simply educating myself about what it is people of different faiths believe.

I enjoy discussing the ‘‘big issues’’ and it’s interesting to hear others takes on things when religion informs their lives.

But that’s it.

I’ve heard nothing here, or on the other forums, that to me, personally, comes anywhere near evidence for a Deity - just lots of justifications for beliefs, which of course, is how it should be.

Sarah x

Hello Sarah

I believe that no can prove the existence of God; nor can anyone prove that God does not exist. Proof is not available; so what kind of evidence are you looking for? How about a plausible explanation of how God exists?

Yppop

 

[atheistgirl]

Hello Sarah

I believe that no can prove the existence of God; nor can anyone prove that God does not exist. Proof is not available; so what kind of evidence are you looking for? How about a plausible explanation of how God exists?

Yppop

You know, I’ve been wondering about that on occasions.

I think if I had a vision, or someone appeared in front of me, like Mary and those girls at Fatima, I’d just go straight to the nearest psychiatrist

If I saw a limb grow back on an amputees stub, well, there’s a biological explanation obviously

So really, I don’t think there’s any ‘‘experience’’ I could have that would ‘‘prove’’ to me on a personal level that a God exists.

As for plausable explanations using logic and reason and philosophy, I’ve read quite a few now, and I’ve got to be honest and say I don’t find them at all convincing, or really, even plausable.

Sarah x

 

[XRU]

Have you watched any of the Jack Szostak videos on youtube? They’re long, but very interesting.

Sarah x

Ohyeeee . . . thanks Sarah!!! I needed something to watch tonight other than those “Big Cat” re-runs. Thanks

 

[XRU]

You know, I’ve been wondering about that on occasions.

I think if I had a vision, or someone appeared in front of me, like Mary and those girls at Fatima, I’d just go straight to the nearest psychiatrist

If I saw a limb grow back on an amputees stub, well, there’s a biological explanation obviously

So really, I don’t think there’s any ‘‘experience’’ I could have that would ‘‘prove’’ to me on a personal level that a God exists.

As for plausable explanations using logic and reason and philosophy, I’ve read quite a few now, and I’ve got to be honest and say I don’t find them at all convincing, or really, even plausable.

Sarah x

Although I’m sure you are happy with your life . . . aren’t you . . I find that it sad that there is nothing in experience that could change your mind. However, I remember in my skeptical days I had an epiphany when I read about the rotations of subatomic particles. Why that did it for me I’m not sure but it did. I read it in Capra’s the Toa of Physics.

So I’m holding out hope . . . IF you keep an open mind and are willing to let Jesus come it when he knocks . . . he will

 

[XRU]

Evolution will never answer the question of how life originated.

That’s not it’s job.

Sarah x

Yes Sarah . … I know and this is the standard answer that those who don’t want to face the problems posed by the lack of a mechanism for abiogenesis (note I am not saying YOU are dodging any issues).

It is a failure, and a significant one, of science and a vulnerability to NOT be able to fully describing how life could come from inorganic materials.

Regards.

 

[atheistgirl]

Although I’m sure you are happy with your life . . . aren’t you . .

Exceedingly happy

I find that it sad that there is nothing in experience that could change your mind.

I think I’m just too rational and practical, which I’m not saying is a good or bad thing, it just is how I am. I just don’t and can’t see the merit of the supernatural. If it’s capable of happening, and being experienced, then it’s natural, but the cause might not be rational - such as were I to experience visions - in which case, while perfectly natural, in that they’ve happened in the realms of the natural world, their root cause could be in my melting brain circuitry

Why that did it for me I’m not sure but it did.

I understand what you’re saying. But for me, the bigger the wow factor, the more I just think nature is awesome and we have so much to yet to learn.

So I’m holding out hope . . . IF you keep an open mind and are willing to let Jesus come it when he knocks . . . he will

Well, I have an open door policy at work and home, so…

Sarah x

 

[atheistgirl]

, of science and a vulnerability to NOT be able to fully describing how life could come from inorganic materials.

Regards.

For now



I think you’ll enjoy the Szostak videos even if you don’t agree with him.

Sarah x

 

[PRmerger]

Fraid I have to agree with her. I’m a Protestant and a happy one. I’m here because people are really nice and love as Jesus would have them do.

Welcome, XRU! You will find lively dialogue and knowledgeable Catholics here–I am certain you will learn lots that you didn’t know you didn’t know!

 

[XRU]

Exceedingly happy

I think I’m just too rational and practical, which I’m not saying is a good or bad thing, it just is how I am. I just don’t and can’t see the merit of the supernatural. If it’s capable of happening, and being experienced, then it’s natural, but the cause might not be rational - such as were I to experience visions - in which case, while perfectly natural, in that they’ve happened in the realms of the natural world, their root cause could be in my melting brain circuitry

I understand what you’re saying. But for me, the bigger the wow factor, the more I just think nature is awesome and we have so much to yet to learn.

Well, I have an open door policy at work and home, so…

Sarah x

I’m glad you are happy Sara

If you don’t mind I’m gonna send you a friend request as I do love science and technology. BTW, I love to watch a launch of the Saturn IV rocket which is set to music on sonicbomb.com. It is absolutely a marvel to watch. I just don’t know how science/technology can do such amazing things. Stunning. Just stunning.

I’m short on theoretical science as my training was in applied science but I have a high interest level in current research. I’m reading Evolution by Shapiro now and some of the stuff that has happened in the last 10 years is astonishing. I’m looking forward to much much more. I’m particularly interested in the generation of potentially random mutation from the Quantum substrate so to speak . . . I don’t know the actual terms they use. It’s all so exciting.

I have no problem with the Second Synthesis as I’m an Open Theist I think they call it. And I probably wouldn’t be phased in the least if researchers found an adequate proof of concept for life from inorganic molecules. Well, phases in the sense that I would find my belief in God challenged, but it would probably engender in me a further awe of God.

And I’m going to view those video starting just in a few moments.

 

[XRU]

Welcome, XRU! You will find lively dialogue and knowledgeable Catholics here–I am certain you will learn lots that you didn’t know you didn’t know!

Thank you PR . . . Learning is my middle name I wish I could just remember it all now.

Bud seriously, I love to learn. What I particularly like so far about this forum is the exchange of idea in a non-contentious manner, but sharing with glee kind of.

The last forum I was involved with there was a lot, and I mean a lot of bad feeling between Christians, atheists, agnostics and others. I don’t think this is necessary at all . … that the truth will make us free so to speak.

I noted that there is no threads of Evolution and atheism which I think is good, good and good. I’ve seen some horrible horrible things said when people disagree over these issues and it is so . . . not needed.

God bless.