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ThinkingSapien
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Okay, Thanks!
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ThinkingSapien
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I’ll take a look, thanks!
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Lochias
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My pleasure.
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CrimsonThorn
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I disagree with this and I think you do too
Atheists love to bring up the scenario that if an event occurs and 5 people see the same thing, each will have a different perception of what actually occurred.
Now here you are saying that hundreds of people who saw and describe the exact same thing, are all hallucinating because their eyes are structured all the same. So why in the first scenario are the peoples’ eyes not all structured the same too?
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ThinkingSapien
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He didn’t suggest that they were hallucinating. A hallucination is a false perception. What does seem to be suggested is that they all really saw something and that what they saw was physical, though they may have misinterpreted it.
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buffalo
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The Amazing Story of the Hiroshima Eight
Early on August 6, 1945, a lone American B-29 Superfortress bomber circled in a vividly blue sky over the Japanese city of Hiroshima. The unsuspecting inhabitants on the ground barely glanced at the plane. They were unaware of the deadly payload it was about to unleash on them, ushering in the atomic age with unimaginable death and destruction.
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Early on August 6, 1945, a lone American B-29 Superfortress bomber circled in a vividly blue sky over the Japanese city of Hiroshima. The unsuspecting inhabitants on the ground barely glanced at the plane. They were unaware of the deadly payload it was about to unleash on them, ushering in the atomic age with unimaginable death and destruction.
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As one single bomb neared the ground, a city died in an instant. Houses crumbled, people evaporated, an immense ball of fire shot skywards, and a terrible wave of super-heated gas bulged out from ground zero, flattening buildings for miles.
Amongst the unsuspecting inhabitants of Hiroshima was Fr. Schiffer, a Jesuit missionary assisting the many Catholics of that city. On the morning of August 6, 1945, he had just finished Mass and sat down at the breakfast table. As he plunged his spoon into a freshly sliced grapefruit, there was a bright flash of light. His first thought was that a fuel tanker had exploded in the harbor, as Hiroshima was a major port where the Japanese refueled their submarines. Then, in the words of Fr. Schiffer: “Suddenly, a terrible explosion filled the air with one bursting thunder stroke. An invisible force lifted me from the chair, hurled me through the air, shook me, battered me, whirled me round and round like a leaf in a gust of autumn wind.” Next thing he remembered was that he opened his eyes and found himself on the ground. He looked around, and saw there was nothing left in any direction: the railroad station and buildings in all directions were gone. Yet, the only harm to him was a few slight cuts in the back of his neck form shards of grass. As far as he could tell, there was nothing else physically wrong with him.
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Lochias
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Wow, had never heard about this. Thanks.
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atheistgirl
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
They weren’t the only survivors hiroshima-remembered.com/history/hiroshima/page14.html and as with all these claims, contradictory accounts abound, even from Jeusits themselves:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer
asktheatheists.com/questions/180-how-can-an-atheist-explain-a-building-surviving-an-atomic-bomb/
Are you trying to say God somehow protected these eight men? - There were others that survived of course - against all the others that died that terrible day?
I like this picture of thew Grand Mosque of Bandar Aceh that was right at ground zero of the earthquate and tsunami and yet survived.
Would you say that was God favoring His place of worship, or a combination of luck and construction techniques?
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Lochias
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To responses like this, all I can say is: “Guess ya had to be there.”I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
They weren’t the only survivors hiroshima-remembered.com/history/hiroshima/page14.html and as with all these claims, contradictory accounts abound, even from Jeusits themselves:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer
asktheatheists.com/questions/180-how-can-an-atheist-explain-a-building-surviving-an-atomic-bomb/
Are you trying to say God somehow protected these eight men? - There were others that survived of course - against all the others that died that terrible day?
I like this picture of thew Grand Mosque of Bandar Aceh that was right at ground zero of the earthquate and tsunami and yet survived.
Would you say that was God favoring His place of worship, or a combination of luck and construction techniques?
Sarah x
Hi, by the by!
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atheistgirl
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Tragic isn’t it that no Deity bothered to intervene on the part of the hundreds of thousands of others who lost their lives so horrifically.To responses like this, all I can say is: “Guess ya had to be there.”
And a big hug to you my friend :hug1:
I hope all is good with you.
Sarah x
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Lochias
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Not being a deity myself, I couldn’t tell you. Far more tragic to me, if He had never let them be born in the first place.
I hope all is good with you.
:hug3:Sarah x
'tis! I’ll send ya a PM sometime this week, catch up with ya.
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epan
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buffalo
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Do you know what happened to their souls?Tragic isn’t it that no Deity bothered to intervene on the part of the hundreds of thousands of others who lost their lives so horrifically.
And a big hug to you my friend :hug1:
I hope all is good with you.
Sarah x
In any case, perhaps the others were praying the rosary too. It works.
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atheistgirl
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Leaving aside the fact you’re ignoring the two completely contradictory first had accounts of what actually happened to this priest - I don’t see any evidence to think we have a soul so I don’t think there was any souls for anything to happen to.
I don’t think praying the Rosary is big with Shinto and Buddhist adherents but I could be wrong.
Sarah x
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fakename
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This point is similar to mine, and perhaps it is only a nescience about the subject which supports this proposition, but I want to add that science cannot destroy God because “whether or not “God” exists” is not a testable proposition. So science cannot say it is false (does science even say that anything is certifiably false -for scientists never say that they have absolute truth?).
At best a scientist can say that it is “not even wrong” or maybe a tautology. But the non-scientist can respond to the former “that even positivism, to the extent that it relies on certain axioms is also non-sensical” and to the latter “in our opinions the fact that something is always so, does not exclude that it is knowable or real or the really true, so we don’t find the tautology problematic.”
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You said it’s tragic that no Deity intervened. The problem with that statement is that from our point of view a Deity COULD have intervened. You’re moving the goalposts here. You say that no Deity intervened and when we give an example of how a Deity could have intervened you say, “Nope, sorry, souls don’t exist”.
Do you not see the problem with this? You don’t believe in a Deity anyway, so for you of course a Deity couldn’t have intervened! But for those who believe in a Deity it is quite possible that a Deity did intervene after all!
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atheistgirl
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But allowed thousands and thousands to die horrifically and chose a random handful of people to survive
You’re right I don’t believe in a soul or a Deity, and sometimes the conversation can get a bit confused because for the purpose of conversation I allowed that they do, but have to ask why would an all loving, caring, personal God chose a handful of people to save, when He could save everyone
Sarah x
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buffalo
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Right - he could suspend freewill. But then you would be nothing more than a robot.But allowed thousands and thousands to die horrifically and chose a random handful of people to survive
You’re right I don’t believe in a soul or a Deity, and sometimes the conversation can get a bit confused because for the purpose of conversation I allowed that they do, but have to ask why would an all loving, caring, personal God chose a handful of people to save, when He could save everyone
Sarah x
Again, we do not know what happened to their souls.
Divine Mercy
“Jesus I Trust in You”
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atheistgirl
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Right - so those that survived were not saved by any Divine intervention, so there’s nothing to thank this Deity for, since if He’d interviened, He’d be suspending free will.
On this we can fully agree.
The survival of those people had nothing to do with any intervention of any Deity.
Sarah x
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Lochias
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But allowed thousands and thousands to die horrifically and chose a random handful of people to survive
You’re right I don’t believe in a soul or a Deity, and sometimes the conversation can get a bit confused because for the purpose of conversation I allowed that they do, but have to ask why would an all loving, caring, personal God chose a handful of people to save, when He could save everyone
Sarah x
And I’d have to ask in response why you have such a hang-up on death anyway.- Status