You didn’t buy me an ice-cream yesterday. Does that mean I’ll never have anything to thank you for?Right - so those that survived were not saved by any Divine intervention, so there’s nothing to thank this Deity for, since if He’d interviened, He’d be suspending free will.
On this we can fully agree.
Sarah x
Nope, you can’t just assume that. Just because He chose not to save the others doesn’t mean He didn’t choose to save the survivors.The survival of those people had nothing to do with any intervention of any Deity.
Sarah x
I actually don’t.And I’d have to ask in response why you have such a hang-up on death anyway.
Lol - you guys can’t have it both ways
Without affecting their free will apparently Sure it does.Right - so those that survived were not saved by any Divine intervention, so there’s nothing to thank this Deity for, since if He’d interviened, He’d be suspending free will.
On this we can fully agree.
The survival of those people had nothing to do with any intervention of any Deity.
Sarah x
Agreed. So why is it horrific, in and of itself, that many people died, and others lived? Even if they suffered when they died? Suffering is a part of life, too, and none escape it. Why does God allowing people to die make Him the bad guy, or illogical?I actually don’t.
I’ve got no hangups about death or dying what so ever.
Death is part of life - everything that lives, dies. It’s nothing to be sacred of or worried about. It comes to everything that lives, and having understood this from a very very young age, I’ve never been the least bit concerned about death. I’ve always known every day I wake up is a day closer to my death.
It’s nothing but a reminder to not waste a second of the day.
Because the time will come when you won’t have the chance to go back and do what you needed to do.
I actually welcome death as part of living. Without death, nothing could survive. In it’s own way, it’s a beautiful, necessary part of life.
Sarah x
No problem here - God can choose to save whom He wishes to fulfill His ends.But allowed thousands and thousands to die horrifically and chose a random handful of people to survive
You’re right I don’t believe in a soul or a Deity, and sometimes the conversation can get a bit confused because for the purpose of conversation I allowed that they do, but have to ask why would an all loving, caring, personal God chose a handful of people to save, when He could save everyone
Sarah x
Perhaps Atheist Girl wishes bodily immortality.Agreed. So why is it horrific, in and of itself, that many people died, and others lived? Even if they suffered when they died? Suffering is a part of life, too, and none escape it. Why does God allowing people to die make Him the bad guy, or illogical?
Lol - you guys can’t have it both ways
Buffalo claims for God to intervene and save people would be suspending free will and making us robots, and next you claim God could have (and did, for some people) intervene and save them
Come on, which is it
Sarah x
We’re not privy to what many people did with their free will that day. Praying is an act of free will just as much as dropping a bomb or seeking shelter is. Our actions have consequences, and sometimes other peoples’ actions have consequences that affect us beyond our own control. I do not know what acts of will led to the Jesuits being saved, and I do not know the state of the souls of the people that died, but it is very possible that their own acts of free will led them to die a holy death and wind up in Heaven.Ohhh Meow !!!
)Nope.
Whether you admit it or not your soul (animating principle) will go on. Eternity is a very long time.Nope.
I want to die.
I don’t want to live forever.
I’ve had my plot marked out since I was a teenager
Sarah x
This does make me smile
What statistics prove these people that survived were not random survivors. Links please.
I don’t recall theocratic regimes fairing too good at any point in history, including up to the present day
You again are missing the distinction. Saving someone is not the same as suspending free will. The free will act still continued. The free will of the priests praying the rosary continued.This does make me smile
God doesn’t intervene because it would impede our free will - God does intervene but it doesn’t impede our free will for those He intervenes for
What statistics prove these people that survived were not random survivors. Links please.
Sarah x
I submit you are not a student of philosophy.Your scientific, peer reviewed, unquestionable evidence for this please?
Sarah x
Agreed men are not perfect and fail to meet the Catholic proposition. That does not negate in any way the proposition itself.I don’t recall theocratic regimes fairing too good at any point in history, including up to the present day
Sarah x
I absolutely do not, but if the Catholic Church follows some of the ways I live my life and the values I hold, then so be it
So you might be the originator of the 10 commandments? Gee I didn’t know…I absolutely do not, but if the Catholic Church follows some of the ways I live my life and the values I hold, then so be it
Sarah x