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The issue only exists if you try to cobble the two together by claiming first humans with subhuman parents.
I see that you assume that being “subhuman” is somehow "bad? The Catholic Church does not make that assumption, and believing that the first humans came from pre-existing species, is not seen as incompatible with the Gospel. Perhaps Baptists have a different perspective?
 
Have you a better answer than God created man and animals to explain why all warm blooded animals are symetrical with 4 limbs? If it were random chance, would not there be asymetrical animals, perhaps with an odd number of limbs; or 6 limbs?
That’s a strange thing to think, that it’s random chance, of course it ain’t.

Why would four limbs prove that God created animals? Because three legged animals have a harder time surviving, so any species of three legged animals would tend to die out pretty smartish, which is why we don’t see any. Ditto for your other examples.
 
Nope - From the textbook Explore Evolution:
Explore Evolution is not a science book – it is a piece of creationist propaganda promulgated by the Discovery Institute.

"Students who read Explore Evolution will come away with a flat-out wrong understanding of evolution.

"This book uses the creationist “evidence against evolution” and “teach the controversy” strategies to misrepresent scientific consensus and distort the conclusions of legitimate scientific research. Explore Evolution offers anonymous “critics” in place of substantive analysis.

"Explore Evolution promotes “intelligent design” creationism. Four of the book’s five co-authors are closely tied to the “intelligent design” creationism movement. Lead author Stephen C. Meyer is a Discovery Institute (DI) vice president and program director of the DI’s Center for Science and Culture. Paul A. Nelson is a fellow of the DI. In 2005 in the Kitzmiller trial, Scott Minnich testified in favor of teaching “intelligent design” in public schools.

“Beneath all its distortions, all its misrepresentations of modern evolutionary science, Explore Evolution uses familiar and long-refuted creationist anti-evolution arguments. Students who are required to read this book in a science classroom will be confused by its flagrant inaccuracies, and will be put at a disadvantage in standardized tests which require an understanding of modern biology.”
 
OK, now think about this. If what you said is true, then that means that every
Right, and I would add that individuals of a given species are often genetically compatible with other, even ancestral, species. So having ancestral species A give birth to descendant species B, with descendant species B still being genetically compatible with ancestral species A, should not be a problem, right?
 
I see that you assume that being “subhuman” is somehow "bad? The Catholic Church does not make that assumption, and believing that the first humans came from pre-existing species, is not seen as incompatible with the Gospel. Perhaps Baptists have a different perspective?
Which I assume means the Church teaches that all species are in the image of God, not just humans, that’s great as it’s my Baptist perspective too. 🙂
 
Which I assume means the Church teaches that all species are in the image of God, not just humans, that’s great as it’s my Baptist perspective too. 🙂
Well, Genesis doesn’t say that animals are not in God’s image.😉
 
Explore Evolution is not a science book – it is a piece of creationist propaganda promulgated by the Discovery Institute.

"Students who read Explore Evolution will come away with a flat-out wrong understanding of evolution.

"This book uses the creationist “evidence against evolution” and “teach the controversy” strategies to misrepresent scientific consensus and distort the conclusions of legitimate scientific research. Explore Evolution offers anonymous “critics” in place of substantive analysis.

"Explore Evolution promotes “intelligent design” creationism. Four of the book’s five co-authors are closely tied to the “intelligent design” creationism movement. Lead author Stephen C. Meyer is a Discovery Institute (DI) vice president and program director of the DI’s Center for Science and Culture. Paul A. Nelson is a fellow of the DI. In 2005 in the Kitzmiller trial, Scott Minnich testified in favor of teaching “intelligent design” in public schools.

“Beneath all its distortions, all its misrepresentations of modern evolutionary science, Explore Evolution uses familiar and long-refuted creationist anti-evolution arguments. Students who are required to read this book in a science classroom will be confused by its flagrant inaccuracies, and will be put at a disadvantage in standardized tests which require an understanding of modern biology.”
I believe the topic of convergence is important for two main reasons. One is widely acknowledged, if as often subject to procrustean procedures of accommodation. It concerns phylogeny, with the obvious circularity of two questions: do we trust our phylogeny and thereby define convergence (which everyone does), or do we trust our characters to be convergent (for whatever reason) and define our phylogeny? As phylogeny depends on characters, the two questions are inseparable. … Even so, no phylogeny is free of its convergences, and it is often the case that a biologist believes a phylogeny because in his or her view certain convergences would be too incredible to be true. … During my time in the libraries I have been particularly struck by the adjectives that accompany descriptions of evolutionary convergence. Words like, ‘remarkable’, ‘striking’, ‘extraordinary’, or even ‘astonishing’ and ‘uncanny’ are common place…the frequency of adjectival surprise associated with descriptions of convergence suggests there is almost a feeling of unease in these similarities. Indeed, I strongly suspect that some of these biologists sense the ghost of teleology looking over their shoulders.
(Simon Conway Morris, Life’s Solution: Inevitable Humans in a Lonely Universe, pp. 127-128 (Cambridge University Press, 2003).)
 
Explore Evolution is not a science book – it is a piece of creationist propaganda promulgated by the Discovery Institute.

"Students who read Explore Evolution will come away with a flat-out wrong understanding of evolution.

"This book uses the creationist “evidence against evolution” and “teach the controversy” strategies to misrepresent scientific consensus and distort the conclusions of legitimate scientific research. Explore Evolution offers anonymous “critics” in place of substantive analysis.

"Explore Evolution promotes “intelligent design” creationism. Four of the book’s five co-authors are closely tied to the “intelligent design” creationism movement. Lead author Stephen C. Meyer is a Discovery Institute (DI) vice president and program director of the DI’s Center for Science and Culture. Paul A. Nelson is a fellow of the DI. In 2005 in the Kitzmiller trial, Scott Minnich testified in favor of teaching “intelligent design” in public schools.

“Beneath all its distortions, all its misrepresentations of modern evolutionary science, Explore Evolution uses familiar and long-refuted creationist anti-evolution arguments. Students who are required to read this book in a science classroom will be confused by its flagrant inaccuracies, and will be put at a disadvantage in standardized tests which require an understanding of modern biology.”
For those interested visit Explore Evolution

The approach we are using in this book is called “inquiry-based” education. This approach allows you, the student, to follow the process of discovery, deliberation, and argument that scientists use to form their theories. It allows you to evaluate answers to scientific questions on your own and form your own conclusions. Our goal in using this approach is to expose you to the discoveries, evidence, and arguments that are shaping the current debates over the modern version of Darwin’s theory, and to encourage you to think deeply and critically about them.
**Why use the inquiry-based approach? **

The inquiry-based approach to education has a number of advantages. First, by enabling you to think critically about scientific theories and ideas, the inquiry-based approach will prepare you to be a better, more informed citizen. You will soon be asked to decide on many political and personal issues that involve science—debates about stem-cell research, decisions about personal medical care, and issues of environmental policy. Teaching scientific ideas openly and critically not only helps prepare you for possible careers in science, but it helps you learn to make informed decisions about such issues.
The second advantage to inquiry-based education is that students typically enjoy science more when it’s taught this way. Scientific conclusions don’t just pop up fully-formed from a lifeless collection of facts, so why would we teach science that way? Instead, the inquiry-based approach teaches about the arguments scientists have had, and are having, about current theories in light of the evidence. This allows you to do what scientists do – think and argue about how best to interpret evidence.
Third, many science educators are convinced that students gain a better understanding of a subject if they are taught about the arguments that scientists have in the process of formulating their theories. For this reason, the educational standards of several countries now encourage this approach.
United States federal education policy, for example, calls for teaching students about competing views of controversial scientific issues. As the U.S. Congress has stated, “[W]here topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to understand the full range of views that exist.”* In the United Kingdom, the National Curriculum for Key Stage 4 Science currently recommends that, “Pupils should be taught how scientific controversies can arise from different ways of interpreting empirical evidence (for example, Darwin’s theory of evolution).”
Controversies in science are nothing new. As recently as the early 1960s, for example, most geologists accepted the “geosynclinal theory” as the explanation of how mountain ranges form. After a significant period of controversy, most scientists came to accept the theory of plate tectonics because it provided a better explanation for a larger number of scientific observations. Yet without understanding the arguments that led to the acceptance of plate tectonics, it is very difficult to understand the theory itself or its current standing in the scientific community.
Today we continue to have important unresolved scientific controversies in many branches of science. In climatology, for example, scientists disagree over what global warming is, whether it is a natural phenomenon or a man-made problem, how big a problem it presents, and what (if anything) should be done about it. In theoretical physics, scientists disagree over the meaning and importance of string theory.
This book is one of the first textbooks ever to use the inquiry-based approach to teach modern evolutionary theory. It does so by examining the current evidence and arguments for and against the key ideas of modern Darwinian theory. We hope examining the evidence and arguments in this book will give you a deeper understanding of the theory and help you to evaluate its current status.
 
Interesting as this stuff is, should we be discussing it here due to the ban?
Aaahhh - I forget where I am. Sorry. (This is such a relevant topic)

How can a thread like this not eventually hit upon evolution?
 
Was he an actual person? I think it’s possible that Adam was the chief of a primal group of people. Being raised from the dust (Gen 2:7) is a Biblical coronation motif (1 Kgs 16:2). How Adam was commanded to take care of Eden is also a common kingship motif in the ancient near east. e.g. Hammurabi is recorded to have been glorifying God through gardening.
Catholicism teaches that the first human being, biblically known as Adam, is an actual human being who was established “in friendship” with God.
 
I feel compelled to insert here a theological point from the C.A. body of topics, given that there are contributors to this discussion forum who are inquirers to the Faith and may become confused about the position of the Church, especially since there are contributors who are also known to hold positions of authority:

[emphases mine]

On Adam, Eve and Evolution:

(The above is not an optional position for a believing Catholic. Just to make that clear for inquirers and lurkers.)

catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution
Thank you Elizabeth 502 for bringing Catholic reality into the discussion.👍
 
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