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Lui, I’ve told you many times, all of this stuff you will find in any introduction to geology books, where do you think anyone finds it. I have told you repeatedly to read it there for yourself. You do not need me to tell you introductory type geology, just read it.
I would scrape facts from anywhere as long as it is a reputable source, I don’t need to type something I want to say if I can copyapasta it, I don’t need to attribute a quote, this is a message forum which consigns our posts to the scrapheap in a couple of hours. I don’t want to post links unless someone asks for the source because its a pain in the elbow copyapastaing things nobody is interested in anyway. If you want a source just ask instead of complaining and threatening an armageddon of mods, copyright lawyers, legal eagles, cats and dogs and so on and so on.
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You don’t have to post links. You can copy & paste a quote and then add the quote symbols:

. Then we know it’s a quote and not something you wrote.
Anyway, I repeat. What does it prove if all parts of the earth were under water at some point when this took place long before animals and humans existed?
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What happened all the animals in England when it sank beneath the sea on one of its many sojourns on the seabed…
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WHEN exactly did England sink beneath the sea?
 
Lui said:
No, because when these parts of land were under water animals didn’t exist yet. By the time animals evolved from single-cell organisms, there were no floods that buried all parts of the earth anymore.
The link you posted clearly said that.
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That link is about American Geology and very early landmasses. The last flood to cover England with the sea happened in the Cretaceous period.
The Cretaceous was a period with a relatively warm climate and high eustatic sea level. The oceans and seas were populated with now extinct marine reptiles, ammonites and rudists; and the land by dinosaurs. At the same time, new groups of mammals and birds as well as flowering plants appeared. The Cretaceous ended with one of the largest mass extinctions in Earth history, the K–T extinction, when many species, including non-avian dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and large marine reptiles, disappeared.
No I’m not going to link or attribute either, just search around yourself.
 
You said:
That link is about American Geology and very early landmasses. The last flood to cover England with the sea happened in the Cretaceous period.
The Cretaceous was a period with a relatively warm climate and high eustatic sea level. The oceans and seas were populated with now extinct marine reptiles, ammonites and rudists; and the land by dinosaurs. At the same time, new groups of mammals and birds as well as flowering plants appeared. The Cretaceous ended with one of the largest mass extinctions in Earth history, the K–T extinction, when many species, including non-avian dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and large marine reptiles, disappeared.
No I’m not going to link or attribute either, just search around yourself.
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I don’t need to research when and where floods took place over the course of the history of the earth. At no time and place did all animals die out at once. Maybe some did die in floods or from other reasons but they survived in other places and evolved from there. No one denies this. The spreading of the Homo Sapien around the world is based on many factors, like floods, lack of rain, lack of food, climate changes or whatever.

All this has nothing to do with the story of Noah which is a story that is not to be taken as actual history.
 
Lui said:
You don’t have to post links. You can copy & paste a quote and then add the quote symbols: . Then we know it’s a quote and not something you wrote.
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I said I do not want to posts quotes, links, quotation marks. You’re a bright kid… please do some googly research yourself, and let me go. I know you can do it.
Lui said:
Anyway, I repeat. What does it prove if all parts of the earth were under water at some point when this took place long before animals and humans existed?

WHEN exactly did England sink beneath the sea?
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See post above.
 
You said:
I said I do not want to posts quotes, links, quotation marks. You’re a bright kid… please do some googly research yourself, and let me go. I know you can do it.
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You’re a bright kid too. Sorry that you were caught with you hand in the cookie jar:D
 
Lui said:
I don’t need to research when and where floods took place over the course of the history of the earth.** At no time and place did all animals die out at once. **Maybe some did die in floods or from other reasons but they survived in other places and evolved from there. No one denies this. The spreading of the Homo Sapien around the world is based on many factors, like floods, lack of rain, lack of food, climate changes or whatever.

All this has nothing to do with the story of Noah which is a story that is not to be taken as actual history.
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Nobody says all the animals died out at once, even poor old Noah said what you and paleontology say that some animal kinds survived.
 
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Nobody says all the animals died out at once, even poor old Noah said what you and paleontology say that some animal kinds survived.
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Well, the story of Noah says all life that didn’t survive on the boat died out at once and Bible Literalists believe this is what happened. If you just want to consider the story of Noah as a story that symbolically describes what happened and that flood is symbolism for all sorts of reasons that led to species dying out and that the boat is symbolism for all sorts of reasons what led to other species surviving, then ok.

I doubt though that the story was written in this manner but that’s a matter of belief.
 
Lui said:
Well, the story of Noah says all life that didn’t survive on the boat died out at once and Bible Literalists believe this is what happened. If you just want to consider the story of Noah as a story that symbolically describes what happened and that flood is symbolism for all sorts of reasons that led to species dying out and that boat is symbolism for all sorts of reasons what led to other species surviving, then ok.
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ok, then. Thats what I’ll do. Gosh darn it, don’t you just love when science parallels stuff.
 
davidv said:
Why do you think that Noah’s Flood is a singular event instead of the truth stated in the geology texts that address a continuum of time over which all of the material making up the currect surface of the earth was underwater at some point?
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David, I’m unclear as to what you mean in this question about Noah’s Flood being “a singular event.”
 
StAnastasia said:
David, I’m unclear as to what you mean in this question about Noah’s Flood being “a singular event.”
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As I understood it, he means that the story of Noah is not an event that took place as it is written but is rather a metaphor that describes a process of what happened over the time line of millions of years.

I could be wrong:hmmm:
 
Lui said:
As I understood it, he means that the story of Noah is not an event that took place as it is written but is rather a metaphor that describes a process of what happened over the time line of millions of years.

I could be wrong:hmmm:
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Ooooh, I can do Noah in here! Excellent! 😃 (Sorry, snuck over from Adam and Eve thread to discuss this.)

I was really struck a few years ago, when I nipped in to the British Museum, the parallels between Jewish, Persian and North African flood stories, it seemed ingrained in their culture. Every single one of the narratives, from the Old Testament to the Epic of Gilgamesh, contained references to a great, devastating flood. I’m wondering if it isn’t a collective memory of a pre-history event, perhaps when the Mediterranean flooded? (And to all reading this, I do believe in the scriptures, but yes, I confess to being an Old Testament allegorist)
 
Lui said:
As I understood it, he means that the story of Noah is not an event that took place as it is written but is rather a metaphor that describes a process of what happened over the time line of millions of years. I could be wrong:hmmm:
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That might be.
 
StarSapphire said:
Ooooh, I can do Noah in here! Excellent! 😃 (Sorry, snuck over from Adam and Eve thread to discuss this.)

I was really struck a few years ago, when I nipped in to the British Museum, the parallels between Jewish, Persian and North African flood stories, it seemed ingrained in their culture. Every single one of the narratives, from the Old Testament to the Epic of Gilgamesh, contained references to a great, devastating flood. I’m wondering if it isn’t a collective memory of a pre-history event, perhaps when the Mediterranean flooded? (And to all reading this, I do believe in the scriptures, but yes, I confess to being an Old Testament allegorist)
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Or perhaps it is because most civilizations arose in river valleys, where the memory of a catastrophic once-in-five-hundred-years flood would be preserved and embellished over time.

Yours is a better explanation than bidding farewell to everything we know from our contemporary sciences.

StAnastasia
 
Plate tectonics is the height of contemporary science, only being a few decades old.
 
buffalo said:
The Catholic church would understand this to be who we call Adam and Eve, our first parents who make us all brothers with equal dignity made in the image and likeness of God.
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Here’s an interesting forthcoming book: Peter Enns, Evolution of Adam, The: What the Bible Does and Doesn’t Say about Human Origins (Brazos Press, 2012).

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grannymh said:
Emphasis mine. Evolution of Adam? Please, I am interested in your evaluation of this book.
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It would be a proleptic review Granny, as the book does not appear until January. I think I’ve met the author once.
 
StAnastasia said:
So no factors apart from physical events are required to explain the emergence of personal activity?
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How psychological factors originated is the issue.

I’ve just recalled that you put genetics and biology before psychology chronologically. This implies that genetics and biology are not associated with physical events. :confused:
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